“cited a source in DHS” is the covid version of “my uncle at nintendo told me about luigi”
― mh, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 14:59 (four years ago) link
yep, i know mh, i was just wondering how widespread they got. because honestly it just sounds like the kind of dumb made-up shit that people send to each other all the time anyway; i'm surprised it could be tracked down
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:04 (four years ago) link
where is all this "hospitals are intentionally inflating the death count" stuff coming from? how does that square with the fact that the federal government is still trying to downplay this as much as possible?
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:06 (four years ago) link
Another group of governors have formed a multi-state pact to figure out when and how to open their states. This is not good news.
Republican governors across the Southeast are teaming up to reopen the region’s economy, even as they lack the testing to know how rapidly the coronavirus is spreading.One health expert called the political decision a “perfect storm” for the virus to reassert itself.The newly formed coalition includes Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi, a part of the country that has underfunded health systems, as well as high rates of obesity, diabetes and other illnesses that amplify the deadliness of the coronavirus.And unlike their peers in New York, New Jersey and other Northeastern states that have been working cooperatively since last week to restart their economies, the six in the South have lagged on testing and social distancing measures.“If you put these states together, there is a perfect storm for a massive epidemic peak later on,” said Jill Roberts of the University of South Florida’s College of Public Health. “The Southeast region is not known for having the best health record. Diabetes and heart disease come to mind. I am very concerned about how our states will do it.”...As of Tuesday morning, the six states had collectively tested about one-tenth of 1 percent of their total populations. Mississippi, which ranks 15th nationally in testing, had the group’s best testing rate at 1.7 percent of its population. Georgia was the lowest, with a testing rate of less than one one-hundredth of 1 percent, or 42nd in the country, according to the Covid Tracking Project.By comparison, the coalition of seven states in the Northeast has a collective testing rate twice that of the Southeast, having swabbed more than two-tenths of 1 percent of their collective population.Five of the seven states included in the Northeastern coalition are in the top 15 nationally in per-capita testing.Beyond the numbers, the two regions differ culturally and in the political instincts of their leaders. Even as the Northeast looks to band together, its governors are urging caution.Southern governors, most of whom have built political careers on small-government conservatism, are driving, by contrast, to restart their economies and get people back to work, even as infections mount....Dr. Aileen Marty, a pandemic and infectious disease expert at Florida International University, said gains made through social distancing and other precautions are good signs, but not the signal to loosen efforts that Southern governors think they are.“They are heavily Republican with social conservatives who are all of a like mind,” Marty said. “They are tempting fate by having the virus out and about among us, but if they don’t do it in a controlled way, we will again be back in situations of overwhelmed hospitals and more people dying.”
One health expert called the political decision a “perfect storm” for the virus to reassert itself.
The newly formed coalition includes Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama and Mississippi, a part of the country that has underfunded health systems, as well as high rates of obesity, diabetes and other illnesses that amplify the deadliness of the coronavirus.
And unlike their peers in New York, New Jersey and other Northeastern states that have been working cooperatively since last week to restart their economies, the six in the South have lagged on testing and social distancing measures.
“If you put these states together, there is a perfect storm for a massive epidemic peak later on,” said Jill Roberts of the University of South Florida’s College of Public Health. “The Southeast region is not known for having the best health record. Diabetes and heart disease come to mind. I am very concerned about how our states will do it.”
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As of Tuesday morning, the six states had collectively tested about one-tenth of 1 percent of their total populations. Mississippi, which ranks 15th nationally in testing, had the group’s best testing rate at 1.7 percent of its population. Georgia was the lowest, with a testing rate of less than one one-hundredth of 1 percent, or 42nd in the country, according to the Covid Tracking Project.
By comparison, the coalition of seven states in the Northeast has a collective testing rate twice that of the Southeast, having swabbed more than two-tenths of 1 percent of their collective population.
Five of the seven states included in the Northeastern coalition are in the top 15 nationally in per-capita testing.
Beyond the numbers, the two regions differ culturally and in the political instincts of their leaders. Even as the Northeast looks to band together, its governors are urging caution.
Southern governors, most of whom have built political careers on small-government conservatism, are driving, by contrast, to restart their economies and get people back to work, even as infections mount.
Dr. Aileen Marty, a pandemic and infectious disease expert at Florida International University, said gains made through social distancing and other precautions are good signs, but not the signal to loosen efforts that Southern governors think they are.
“They are heavily Republican with social conservatives who are all of a like mind,” Marty said. “They are tempting fate by having the virus out and about among us, but if they don’t do it in a controlled way, we will again be back in situations of overwhelmed hospitals and more people dying.”
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
i think the idea is that hospitals are calling all deaths by ppl who tested positive for covid-19 covid-19 deaths "even if" they died of some pre-existing condition (that covid-19 maybe didn't exacerbate? idk these ppl aren't that smart) but the truth is that hospitals are undercounting the death count bc loads of ppl who die at home and are never tested have it too (which is why they've had to revise numbers in many places). xp
― Mordy, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
where is all this "hospitals are intentionally inflating the death count" stuff coming from?
generally the people saying that are buying the federal government's line of bullshit and make arguments that if you were hospitalized with covid-19 then died of organ failure or a heart attack it doesn't count because.. you died of organ failure
― mh, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link
Apparently it's just a funny coincidence to these people that death rates are way above average.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:26 (four years ago) link
if you were hospitalized with covid-19 then died of organ failure or a heart attack it doesn't count because.. you died of organ failure
Ultimately, we all die of cardiac arrest.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 15:53 (four years ago) link
unless we get 'sploded
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:09 (four years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM3J9jDoaTA
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
Following the Covid-19 pathology literature it seems it may soon be easier to name organs Covid-19 doesn't attack in critical cases. Lungs, kidneys, heart, liver, central nervous system all are accounted for. DIC associated with Covid-19 and SIRS associated with Covid-19 are bad bad news, all over the body.
And death attribution doesn't really matter in the end. Whether one dies of Covid-19, with Covid-19, or without Covid-19 because medical resources are overwhelmed, or because one fears engaging with the medical system during a pandemic, its all fairly directly attributable to the ongoing pandemic.
― speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:24 (four years ago) link
This seems pretty obvious, yet there are a lot of people arguing the exact opposite. That if the cause of death isn't directly attributable to COVID, then it's completely unrelated, and therefore numbers are grossly exaggerated in order to undermine the glorious Trump economy. Yes, it's absurd, but this will absolutely be the official line in the US as deaths continue to spike.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 16:30 (four years ago) link
You assume it's satire, but remember, this is America in 2020.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWOjjUcXYAEB95H.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link
not much more bizarre than the "GIVE ME FREEDOM OR GIVE ME COVID-19" sign I saw at Phoenix protest
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
the FREEEEEEEEDOM!!!! Above All Else "school" of "thought" prevalent in the US is so poisonous to society ugh
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
like way to go America, you've given selfish dipshits something to perpetually validate their selfish dipshittery
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link
BREAKING: The USDA reports that two pet cats in New York have tested positive for the novel coronavirus. These are the first domestic pets in the U.S. to test positive. Both expected to recover.*Note: there remains NO EVIDENCE that domestic animals can pass the virus to humans*— Natasha Daly (@natashaldaly) April 22, 2020
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
Those cats didn't get it from bats or pangolins.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link
Many of you have asked if I am willing to travel around Florida wearing Grim Reaper attire to the beaches and other areas of the state opening up prematurely. The answer is absolutely yes. Beginning May 1 we will hit the road here in state. Please retweet and spread the word. pic.twitter.com/UO7QKg161n— Daniel Uhlfelder (@DWUhlfelderLaw) April 22, 2020
― speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link
I don't know who that is, but I like the idea that people are just randomly coming up to some guy and demanding to know if he is willing to do that.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
That YouTube clip of all the commercials is dead-on--I've been very conscious the past week or so (when COVID commercials really started appearing) of the split between weirdly outdated commercials where the world is as it was before and the already cliched coronavirus-tailored commercial (some of which are effective).
― clemenza, Wednesday, 22 April 2020 22:52 (four years ago) link
anyone believe this?
Taken to the woodshed... https://t.co/Rt5cryLi2b— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) April 22, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 April 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
Reuters: Former Labradoodle breeder tapped to lead U.S. pandemic task force
Shortly after his televised comments, (HHS Secretary) Azar tapped a trusted aide with minimal public health experience to lead the agency’s day-to-day response to COVID-19. The aide, Brian Harrison, had joined the department after running a dog-breeding business for six years. Five sources say some officials in the White House derisively called him “the dog breeder.”Harrison decided, the sources say, to exclude FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn from the task force. “He said he didn’t need to be included,” said one official with knowledge of the matter.Two sources familiar with events say the White House wasn’t getting information from the FDA about the state of the testing effort, a crucial element of the coronavirus response.
Harrison decided, the sources say, to exclude FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn from the task force. “He said he didn’t need to be included,” said one official with knowledge of the matter.
Two sources familiar with events say the White House wasn’t getting information from the FDA about the state of the testing effort, a crucial element of the coronavirus response.
― speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Thursday, 23 April 2020 00:33 (four years ago) link
When you've screwed the pooch, who better to oversee the results?
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 April 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link
the father of a thousand sonsofbitches
― steer calmer (darraghmac), Thursday, 23 April 2020 00:59 (four years ago) link
Michael Brown had been horse breeder, I think?
― stone cold jane austen (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link
really like that image above, hope uhlfelder follows through
― Dan S, Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:39 (four years ago) link
I don't find it too surprising that there were cases in California in January, and probably in the NYC area as well. There were direct flights from Wuhan to SF and NYC all through December and most of January, when there was basically zero testing or screening, so it would be more surprising if no cases were transmitted.
― o. nate, Thursday, 23 April 2020 01:46 (four years ago) link
The USA has ~4% of the global population, ~32% of active COVID-19 cases & ~26% of global COVID-19 fatalities.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 23 April 2020 02:31 (four years ago) link
FLU
― genital giant (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 April 2020 02:34 (four years ago) link
~50% of the world’s population lives in countries that are lying their ass off about the numbers
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 23 April 2020 02:34 (four years ago) link
does seem like so many more people have perished from this than has been officially registered
― Dan S, Thursday, 23 April 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link
FT estimated that 40K have died in the UK, rather than the 17K reported, based on ONS data for excess mortality over the norm for these months. In other places like Italy and Spain excess mortality was running about 80-120% over reported Covid-19 deaths.
― speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Thursday, 23 April 2020 04:01 (four years ago) link
What the FUCK is Cuomo talking about? Bloomberg isn't "designing" anything, I hope.
“Michael Bloomberg will design the program, design the training, he’s going to make a financial contribution,” Cuomo said at a news conference in Albany. “He has tremendous insight both governmentally and from a private sector business perspective in this.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/billionaire-mike-bloomberg-will-help-new-york-develop-coronavirus-test-and-trace-program-gov-cuomo-says.html
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 April 2020 11:56 (four years ago) link
US may not be lying about their cases, but are sure as shit not testing much
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 23 April 2020 13:21 (four years ago) link
The French government now says that the return to school for students on May 11 will not be obligatory, but rather only on a volunteer basis. Good. I suspect there will be rather few volunteers. We certainly won't be.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Thursday, 23 April 2020 13:21 (four years ago) link
kinda want to know just how those cats were tested
― mookieproof, Thursday, 23 April 2020 14:38 (four years ago) link
I dig it, daddio.
― The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 April 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link
by a very brave veterinarian with a 20-foot pole, i'm assuming
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 April 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link
xxp blood antibody test I would think, but yeah... what lab, and what's the channel for veterinarians to submit samples?
― mh, Thursday, 23 April 2020 14:42 (four years ago) link
Those cats had multiple samples taken at National Veterinary Services Laboratories, probably their lab on Plum Island off the tip of Long Island. Having taken cats to the vet before, I'm positive they were sedated for this.
I could imagine sneaking a swab to the back of their throat under sedation. But even that may not necessary going forward: there's a (preprint) study that found saliva samples were better for rtPCR screening than the usual nasopharyngeal swabs (in humans).
― speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:07 (four years ago) link
Madagascar hands out 'miracle' virus cure as it lifts lockdown
Unarmed Madagascar soldiers went door-to-door in the capital Antananarivo, doling out sachets of a local herbal tea touted by President Andry Rajoelina as a powerful remedy against the novel coronavirus."We can change the history of the entire world," he said, after downing a dose. "Two people have now been cured by this treatment."
"We can change the history of the entire world," he said, after downing a dose. "Two people have now been cured by this treatment."
― Joey Corona (Euler), Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:08 (four years ago) link
Oh good
― silby, Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:12 (four years ago) link
xp: Also, NVSL seems to be using rtPCR, just with a different set of reagents.
Performing animal testing should not reduce the availability of tests for people. Testing performed on animals may be based on the published tests used in people, however, reagents are available that are not required for testing people. The NVSL and National Animal Health Laboratory Network (NAHLN) laboratories are using reagents for testing animals that are not required for testing in people.
― speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:13 (four years ago) link
Ramadan is going to be sad this year.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Thursday, 23 April 2020 15:17 (four years ago) link
http://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/health/us-coronavirus-thursday/index.html
As a doctor in the piece says--assuming the tests are accurate--this can easily be interpreted as good news, in terms of trying to gauge how lethal the virus is.
― clemenza, Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link
otoh, it's lethal enough to be the leading cause of all deaths in the USA last week, and there's reason to think it killed even more people than the official tally assigns to it.
the better news in that cnn piece is that nearly 14% of the NYers tested had antibodies, which means most of those should have a measure of immunity to further infection and probably won't be vectors spreading it to others in the medium-term future.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link
Right, but those deaths happened regardless of how many people are infected; if the deaths are a smaller percentage of infections than previously thought, that's good news. (As for potentially unreported deaths, that's a separate issue.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 23 April 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
as someone who believes there's a good chance that basically everyone is gonna get exposed to this at some point that's definitely good news
there was a similar study out of Santa Clara but it found that the infection rate was actually 50-85x than what was reported which is absurd. it would mean that literally everyone in NYC has it
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 April 2020 19:04 (four years ago) link
I regret to inform you that Chris Cuomo's family is infested with quackery:
https://thepuristonline.com/2020/04/the-cuomos-corona-protocol-week-3/
“I added ½ cup of Clorox to my bathwater to combat the radiation and metals in my system and oxygenate it. I used a “body charger,” which energy specialist Randy Oppitz suggested I borrow from a friend. It sent electrical frequencies through my body to oxygenate my blood and stimulate the healthy production of blood cells to fortify my immune system. It also rebalanced my energy”
― Alba, Thursday, 23 April 2020 19:17 (four years ago) link