Pavement:Classic or Dud

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Marty, not Malkmus.

Sorry to dox yr coworker, pplains...

That Billie pic reminds me of when Malk said in an interview that Lorde owes him a favor (in return for something unspecified).

Feel like I'm gonna owe Marty a favor.

Marty graduated Mizzou '93? Bet he was at that Big Star tent show.

He wasn't.

(I know this because I WaS ThErE ~!)

Can’t say I’ve seen much Pavement fan art, but hard to imagine it getting much worse than this: https://www.etsy.com/listing/783996565/pavement-inspired-illustration

https://www.etsy.com/listing/778280777/radiohead-inspired-watercolour-paintings?ref=shop_home_active_11&frs=1

Weeshed otm

pavement really does sound like that though

the other ones are pretty funny but I can't tell how much of it is intentional

the bob marley one, ohhhh

Thought this thread revival would be about Scott reviving the band's IG for quarantine-nostalgia:

https://www.instagram.com/pavementband/

sweet account. those 7"s look great

Hey, has anyone ever heard the song “David’s Gone,” which was on a cassette comp called Nostalgic Glimpse of a Victorian Country Childhood?

Around 20 years ago, I was in an eBay bidding war for the tape, and was kind of relieved to lose out at the last second (as the $$ had gotten pretty high). The winner was really cool – he mailed me a CD-R with the track burned as some kind of audio file, but I was never able to get it to play.

...guess not(?) Bueller?

Anyhoo - I never realized there was a diff btw. "Summer Babe" and "Summer Babe (Winter Version)" - or at least I figured the differences were too subtle to notice (and that this was kind of "the joke") - tho I'm listening to them back-to-back now (Drag City comp vs. S&E), and the vocal is definitely flatter on the LP mix. What's the story behind the different mixes, anyway (...and is this something I could figure out for myself if I got off my @ss & flipped back thru the Luxe & Reduxe booklet or the Jovanovic book)?

Hey, I never noticed the keyboard(?) deep in the mix under the "From now on..." section of "Loretta's Scars."(??)

I cannot get over how good this album still sounds.

"David's Gone" was passed around in the very early days of either alt.music.pavement or the pavement.listserv but yeah that's an almost 30yo relic that's essentially a silver jews rarity (dime map quality just less DCB). I can't remember a single thing about the song tbqh.

Thanks for the intel (I wondered if DCB was the titular David).

I've espoused many times about the "lo-fi" tag being misaligned to Slanted & Enchanted, such as here:

C or D : Guided By Voices.

One thing that kind of bothers me about Pavement's "lo-fi" distinction is that they recorded everything up to Crooked Rain at Gary Young's original studio that had a 24-track MCI console which if you are familiar with is approximately the size (132"x41"x38") of ~200 Tascam 424s (18"x14"x4") such as the ones actually used by GBV, Sebadoh, Silver Jews, et.al. Slanted & Enchanted is extremely hi-fi compared to Alistair Galbraith or The Grifters music from the same period.

maybe pix would be better:

https://www.google.com/search?q=mci+jh-636&tbm=isch

vs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tascam+424&tbm=isch

lo fi by preference vs lo fi by necessity?

Listening to S&Eon headphones last night, I reflected how it’s an album like Murmur — as great as the songs are, the production (sometimes slighted as “murky, lo-fi,” etc.) is a very deliberate & key creative aspect of what makes it the album it is. The same songs, recorded differently, wouldn’t have the same impact or mystique... you can hear how the other mix of “Summer Babe” doesn’t quite have that feel.

I’m writing crappily this morning (and I guess it’s not a revelation that the production is key for any great album), but you probably get me...

aw I wanna hear this "David Gone's" song

I would listen to it in two weeks on the one-year anniversary of his being gone.

I've definitely never thought of S&E as lo-fi in sound like Eric's Trip or someone - is it seen that way? It's a fairly big, dynamic, clear-sounding rock album. Slackerish in terms of playing and singing, yes.

its range of frequencies of relatively limited, but there's a lot going on within that narrow range

Well it doesn’t have any low end ...

not true! spiral's guitar is run through a guitar amp & a bass cab on loretta's scars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHIw74zVmaA

speaking of...

Hey, I never noticed the keyboard(?) deep in the mix under the "From now on..." section of "Loretta's Scars."(??)

― Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Monday, July 20, 2020 10:11 PM (yesterday)

Oberheim OB-8

Yeah, it's not a Bob Rock production or anything. I just don't think it sounds like what actual lo-fi gear would have delivered in the early 90s.

xp thx, Al!

I think Spiral found the low end when he boosted the heck out of it for Luxe & Reduxe.

One thing that kind of bothers me about Pavement's "lo-fi" distinction is that they recorded everything up to Crooked Rain at Gary Young's original studio that had a 24-track MCI console which if you are familiar with is approximately the size (132"x41"x38") of ~200 Tascam 424s (18"x14"x4") such as the ones actually used by GBV, Sebadoh, Silver Jews, et.al. Slanted & Enchanted is extremely hi-fi compared to Alistair Galbraith or The Grifters music from the same period.

I have a horse in this race, but imo 90-ish % of the bands under the "lo-fi" banner were only lo-fi under the absolute broadest sense of the term ("not working at Ocean Way")

right, so you end up with this absurd descriptor that covers this vast swath spanning the "direct to boombox/answering machine" bedroom crowd all the way up to... ???

...not spending a month in the ibiza/barbados?

... home studio not up to Tom Scholz standards?

interesting new Pavement album came out on Spotify last friday

"LAugh Trak" is a jam

Is that like the (now removed) new Neutral Milk Hotel song that popped up on Spotify over the weekend? Seemed like Jeff Mangum going future bass was a 2020 twist too good to be true.

this will be 1/2 of ILM's favorite Pavement album lmao

(Less) Froggy (More Mott)

Jackals, false grails

Anybody know what’s going on? There’s also a new «Yo La Tengo» single on Spotify in a similar vein, i.e relatively basic instrumental EDM

Someone lost the keys to the Matador office?

that's weird. I thought there was a chance "300 Miles of Dust" was by some dance kids who'd never heard of Pavement before, but the Yo La Tengo song is also posted to Youtube on an official looking account.

It is credited to novecore.com

BNM 8.6

There was also an electronic song credited to Neutral Milk Hotel that briefly popped up on Spotify, but it was pulled fairly quickly. I think there's just a sudden rash of people uploading their music to streaming services credited to more popular artists, but no one seems to be doing any vetting.

Just watched the Space Ghost episode, which somehow I had never seen (or had long forgotten about). Good stuff

oh there's a thread for that: The Beatles