Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

sorry you're bored Alfred

Bush? He had his chance and let it pass.

I'm sorry. I'll retract.

most dangerous president a Republican

I'm getting bored of this line about Bush being worse because he killed people overseas

"Love Me I'm A Liberal (2020 Rona Remix)"

you don't dance

jfc

.@JoeBiden to hold virtual “Women’s Town Hall” tomorrow focusing on COVID-19 & featuring a “special guest”

— Bo Erickson CBS (@BoKnowsNews) April 27, 2020

If Sanders had tweeted something similar would it have merited a 'jfc'?

What a disgusting little turd he is

Aimless you drip

Sanders isn’t trying to make a sexual assault allegation go away right now (he’s also not the presumptive nominee) (he’s also not a disgusting turd of a human)

If Sanders had tweeted something similar would it have merited a 'jfc'?

... no.

Sorry I didn’t drink bleach when you told me to though

I know you and Donald Trump were praying fervently for my suicide but I’m not up for it

check your memory against what "search' shows you that I wrote. that 'drink bleach' thing you've repeated about five or six times now is inaccurate, but it makes for a good story, so I see why your brain changed the facts to suit your desire.

xp - then would you please discover that it is just as possible to drink raw sewage or hit yourself on the head with a hammer for no reason at all? thanks.

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, April 6, 2020 8:06 PM (three weeks ago)

My apologies, motherfucker, you told me to drink sewage not bleach, oh my stars, how dare I misrepresent the way you told me to kill yourself

go fuck yourself Aimless

you seem to go out of your way to make enemies that you can indulge your strong desire to bully or provoke.

WHICH OF US TOLD THE OTHER OF US TO DRINK SEWAGE

For FUCK'S SAKE

I'm getting bored of this line about Bush being worse because he killed people overseas

And people with actual compassion for other human beings that have been maimed and killed by the US regardless of the color of their skin or country of origin are tired of ghouls like you vomiting trash like this as if such opinions aren't completely vile and worthless. It's nice that you operate from a position of privilege great enough that your engagement with politics gets to be a topical pissing contest where you weigh your outrage over whichever's President's crimes "bore" you the least in the present moment like a gameshow where there's a prize to be won for "getting it right" between who's more evil between Bush and Trump. But some of us don't treat empathy as a finite resource that has to be rationed out or conserved for whatever president's transgressions are more current and hip to be upset about just to feign moral superiority over others on social media. You can care about the people Trump's failed and killed with the pandemic response AND the innocent people and communities literally blown to pieces by Bush! But if atrocities committed by Presidents before 2016 bore you so much that the mere mention of them tires you out too much to care about them then I guess it can't be helped...

are you finished, troll?

I'm a gay brown Miamian targeted by Bush and Trump, Mr. Trevor Phillips with two l's, with a written record all over the interwebs on Bush's atrocities who knows men and women killed by them. What you got, sister?

Face it, Alfred, this trevor phillips really is holier than thou. We have his word for it.

Aimless, the award is for "worst/most harmful President", not "worst person to be President"

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, April 27, 2020 9:22 PM (two hours ago)

to be honest i think trump is still a contender for the "most harmful" spot. the iraq war is worse than any single thing trump has done so far, but he's a worse president than bush in every other way. and frankly i'd be shocked if trump didn't end up causing an iraq-level catastrophe in a second term. that said, i wouldn't argue if anyone wanted to say that bush was worse because of iraq.

the only ‘good’ thing about Trump is that it’s pretty much mask off for conservatives and lib scolds who never really gave much of a duck about the things they pretended to

fuck a duck

people, let's not have the worst president debate, let's just get another one who can enjoy Kennedy Center Honors AND rip kids apart with bombs at the same time

fuck a duck

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), M

no thanks

i'm sure that not voting for biden will hasten utopia

The "worst ever" argument is always a little odd to me. There's no point in comparing trump or Bush to Andrews Johnson or Jackson, whose enduring legacy of genocide/white supremacy is pretty hard to beat in the long view (then there are the presidents who literally enslaved people). Likewise, when people bring up the death toll in iraq + Bush, that makes sense, but oddly I rarely hear JFK/LBJ/Vietnam mentioned in the worst-ever convo or McKinley/Philippines or etc. etc.

All that said I think it's possible trump is presiding over a period of american historical decline that might in retrospect be more significant than, say, Bush's

I think democrats are more fond of Bush than republicans are in 2020 which is just 😙👌

nobody really remembers why he was bad, I barely do

then it's like oh yeah

well it's hard to when the great hostess M.O. has hugged him; she's so great (I don't remember why)

Even excluding Iraq and Katrina, Bush was every bit as incompetent and evil as Trump. Different generation of evangelical freaks but freaks nonetheless.

Trevor Philips otm

Also, ever since the Biden allegations surfaced and seeing how some people here disgustingly reacted to them, I just can’t see this site in the same way anymore. Seeing posts by these people now just makes me feel sick in my soul.

Goodbye ILX.

Remember when he had to speak at Segregationist U to beat McCain? Harriet Miers?! Tax cuts, gay baiting, etc. etc. etc.

I think democrats are more fond of Bush than republicans are in 2020 which is just 😙👌

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Monday, April 27, 2020

Chess is not a favorite sport, so unless you refer to MSNBC commentators I'll just say you're full of shit. I'm willing to take that back if you mean others.

oddly I rarely hear JFK/LBJ/Vietnam mentioned in the worst-ever convo or McKinley/Philippines or etc. etc.

Vietnam not being associated with a single president is the complicating factor I suppose

The "worst ever" argument is always a little odd to me. There's no point in comparing trump or Bush to Andrews Johnson or Jackson, whose enduring legacy of genocide/white supremacy is pretty hard to beat in the long view (then there are the presidents who literally enslaved people). Likewise, when people bring up the death toll in iraq + Bush, that makes sense, but oddly I rarely hear JFK/LBJ/Vietnam mentioned in the worst-ever convo or McKinley/Philippines or etc. etc.

again, I don't know what "people" you read, but it's important to note in this thread and elsewhere -- I'm responsible too -- that when we live horrors in real time we forget culmination vs aberration. In the ways in which he's destroyed faith in the federal government, wiped his ass with the divisions between personal enrichment and public service, he's every GOP president I've known since January 1981 with a botoxed face; yet, like that can be too, the real-face-exposed creates a real crisis in governance domestically that George W. Bush didn't deal with, not even Katrina, the awful impact of which was limited to four or five states.

Also, one of the phenomena for which I'm thankful is how Robert Caro has kept LBJ's domestic legacy intact without diluting the dialectical rhythm of history. Our best domestic prez of the 20th century killed more Americans and Vietnamese than he had any right to.

xpost: vietnam played out over 5 or 6 different administrations and in some ways was as much a product of bad cold war policy/consensus as anything else, iraq was an entirely avoidable atrocity that wouldn't have happened if a specific group of terrible people hadn't been in charge at the time

mckinley was pretty bad, i wish ppl would talk about his awfulness more

Gore Vidal did!

It's been...fascinating watching these arguments pop up again as if ILE's search engine didn't exist.

some weeks ilx feels like a particularly glum beckett play

It's why I keep coming back.

A dialectical subtlety many libs have missed: the same ambition that drove five presidents to confuse vaporizing millions of Vietnamese, Laotians, and Cambodians persuaded them to expand the welfare state. That we needed the former to drive the latter is one of America's greatest sins, but here we are.

Not sure I’m following re chess, but W does seem to have be rehabbed buy lots of liberal media talkers and your garden variety social media commenter who’s been by scandalized Trump’s very special brand of awfulness

again, don't confuse MSNBC Upper East Siders for "liberals."

Tbf such avowals are usually preceded by 'I can't believe I'm saying this, but…'

xp

by lots*

goddamn phone