Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

if I lived in a swing state I’d still vote for biden. none of this changes my view of him as a compromised ghoul. still better than trump. he should step down though of course while there’s still time to rally around someone else

Wait, where did this idea Bernie is somehow going to be nominee come from? The threads move fast I know so I could have missed it, but I've definitely not seen that suggeested here!

I do think the difference here b/w Trump and Biden is that 1) I don't think Biden is a serial abuser. This situation may well have happened, but he's been in the public eye long enough that if there were other allegations they'd be coming up by now and 2) I don't think anyone is passionate about Biden the way Trump supporters are about him. This is a real hold your nose and vote election; if Biden kicks the fucking bucket before inauguration, or drops out after getting the nomination and Abrahms or Harris or Klobuchar or whoever is then moved up to be the nominee, everyone is going to be fucking fine with it.

to put it another way: Trump has people who vote for Trump. Biden's base is probably 80% just voting against Trump

no rational person thinks the Democrats would nominate Sanders, so shove the strawmen

2) I am not alone in thinking Reade is less credible

― but also fuck you (unperson)

i am not alone in not wanting to talk to you or listen to you, thanks

obviously that was a rash response, and i try not to make rash responses. i'm not a saint i guess?

w/out Biden no one will reach the majority + 1 of delegates

enjoy your open convention

(and obv do I hafta say it, rules wd be invented to stop Sanders and that was always the case)

Unperson's attitude -- as disgusting as it might be -- points to the way the democratic party leadership would think around this. They absolutely don't give a shit.

ok guys what if and just hear me out what if Bernie was accused of rape and promised to never say M4A again and also say that socialism totally sucks to a room of big ticket donors would he be ok then? Or is he still off the table bc he’s old and whi—-
Ah shit this is tough. Back to the drawing board.

Hillary Clinton is expected to announce her endorsement of Joe Biden this afternoon https://t.co/bPbrqI9MhT

— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 28, 2020

kind of a weird time to endorse, but ok

all i want to do is vote for someone who hasn't sexually assaulted someone.

i'm asking for very little here, i think

i.e. why we need a female president

yep, would be pretty damn nice to not have to worry about that one for an election cycle

we are so quick to forget: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/03/elizabeth-warren-tweet-on-alleged-sex-scandal.html

i would actually like to forget everything i've ever learned and become a baby, thanks

I mean, that SOUNDS good, but I’m afraid Trump already beat you to it.

BREAKING: @HillaryClinton releases special video message to Tara Reade regarding her sexual assault allegations against Joe Biden:

"You have a right to be heard and you have a right to be believed." pic.twitter.com/BjZBQIK39g

— Trump War Room - Text TRUMP to 88022 (@TrumpWarRoom) April 28, 2020

why are you even sharing this dogshit?

this is clearly a good-faith effort by Team Trump that respects Tara Reade's trauma.

there are some people who just don't need to be making public statements about things

wait is that an old video lol

I just keep thinking about that Rebecca Traister piece from yesterday. at this point I almost think any woman would have to be disqualifyingly insane to want to be Biden's potential veep and subject herself to six months of this bullshit

the larry king clip is really bad

like, seems bad for biden. i don't doubt for a second that was her mom as she mentioned the existence of this clip before it was unearthed.

so at the very least, she had told people at the time that she experienced something that fell under the umbrella of sexual harassment, which was the topic of the show. whether it was as serious as the assault she regaled recently, i don't know.

Not really -- it's too vague. Yesterday's Business Insider story is worse.

and I do believe her mom called the show

that's true--she told people at the time, according to several sources.

at first, i wanted to be cautious about this story and not join the legions of bernie supporters eager to believe it. but now, i really do think that it or something like it probably happened. and that being the case, the whole smearing her as a "russian agent" is palpably disgusting and also idiotic.

i think he will step down. you can't be the democratic nominee in 2020, three years into #metoo, with something like this hanging over your campaign.

he's not going to step down

well then he is going to lose

this stuff matters to his voters; it doesn't to trump's

I don’t think it actually matters to his voters

Some of them in this thread have already said it doesn’t matter to them

yeah silby's actually correct here I think. you wouldn't know it from ilx of course but most liberal-minded people LIKE Joe Biden and are therefore going to give him every benefit of the doubt.

I love to be “actually correct”!

you rarely are!

I only make veridical claims when I’m mad tbh

yeah silby's actually correct here I think. you wouldn't know it from ilx of course but most liberal-minded people LIKE Joe Biden and are therefore going to give him every benefit of the doubt.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j)

even if they don't like Joe Biden, The Other Guy Is Worse, and that excuses everything

i mean, supporting Your Team out of guilt, shame, blind tribalism, do people here really think that those things only reply to _republicans_?

"supporting your team" implies there is no better or worse team. if that was true then yeah, Democrats would be just as bad as Republicans.

"supporting your team" implies there is no better or worse team.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j)

no, the patriots are clearly objectively terrible

i think that this will severely suppress turnout

i'm this close to actively campaigning for people to not vote in the presidential race

i'm this close to actively campaigning for people to not vote in the presidential race

What state do you live in?

i think that this will severely suppress turnout

― treeship., Tuesday, April 28, 2020

The youth vote didn't come out much in February-early March. Guess who did?

it's a violent crime

What state do you live in?

― but also fuck you (unperson)

i believe i already told you i don't care about anything you have to say

i guess i hope biden wins because the trump regime is a daily and ongoing threat to the survival of humanity. but jesus christ this is bleak.