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Followup on Daniel Uhlfelder above:

holy shit pic.twitter.com/rVw24plXTp

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) May 1, 2020

speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 May 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link

Top 10 Coronavirus clusters in the US? Prisons, meat packing plants, a Navy battleship. Next 10? Prisons, meat packing plants, nursing homes. Next 10? And the 10 after that? Prisons, meat packing plants and nursing homes.... https://t.co/vdXEqlVymY

— Gina Neff (@ginasue) April 30, 2020

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 May 2020 20:43 (four years ago) link

^that's a good (and depressing) thread

here's another good and depressing thread:

NEW INITIATIVE

Local action & ownership is the frontline of pandemic response. But there is little guidance out there designed for local leaders.

Over the past 2 weeks, a group of us have been working to start filling that gap: https://t.co/hKVb2d3Arg

— Jeremy TEST/TRACE/ISOLATE Konyndyk (@JeremyKonyndyk) March 23, 2020

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 May 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

oops! i meant this one:

Welcome to May.

As I feared, the federal government wasted April much as it wasted February.

That is a harsh assessment given how much the country has been suffering. But without competent federal leadership, the best we are managing is to tread water. Some stats:

— Jeremy TEST/TRACE/ISOLATE Konyndyk (@JeremyKonyndyk) May 1, 2020

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 May 2020 20:45 (four years ago) link

for those that don't like to read threads on twitter but like to read threads on ilx,

the gist of it is that the US isn't on the "decline" side of the curve, nationally. we're on a plateau, and what's more, there aren't any indications that it's going to go down any time soon. the existing lockdowns and policies have succeeded in halting the growth of daily cases/deaths, but they aren't enough to get rates down low enough to actually decline. to do that, we need substantial gains in testing and tracing, and there's no indication that the federal government is making progress on that.

it's an ugly situation. in order to get on the other side of the curve, we need to step UP the shelter in place policies, just as so many people are talking about how soon we'll be able to "open up" the economy. it's a shit show.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Friday, 1 May 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link

I'm in NY and there are people upstate who are clamoring to open. Despite hundreds of people still dying every day down here in our own backyard. People are idiots; if even people in my own state can't be convinced...

Nhex, Friday, 1 May 2020 21:12 (four years ago) link

The people dead set on opening back up asap are just blinding themselves to how infectious this virus is and ignoring the degree to which it isn't spreading like a windblown wildfire is due to society being widely shut down. It's the old saw that 'there is none so blind as him who will not see.'

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 May 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link

As sung by Ray Stevens, who is no doubt in favor of the re-opening.

Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 May 2020 21:22 (four years ago) link

don't look Ethelllll

genital giant (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 May 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link

lol

Together Again Or (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 1 May 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link

xxp - when is Branson reopening?

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 1 May 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link

In WA, Inslee announced an extension of the stay-at-home order through the end of May and gave the outlines of what future phases of relaxed restrictions will look like

https://coronavirus.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2020-05/PhasedReopeningChart.pdf

silby, Friday, 1 May 2020 22:02 (four years ago) link

I look forward to hang out with up to 5 friends per week. (5 is like…half of my friends though.)

silby, Friday, 1 May 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link

this sounds really good. but i wonder about the logistics. rolled out by the military in 2 weeks - but a sophisticated program of prioritisation, tracking, tracing will be needed. who’s going to coordinate that? the military too?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/us-germ-warfare-lab-creates-test-for-pre-infectious-covid-19-carriers

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 May 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link

presumably state and local public health departments. WA plans to employ 750 national guard as case and contact investigators starting next week

silby, Friday, 1 May 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link

I have to admit I am mildly irritated by not eating red meat once or twice a week

i'll live though (for a bit)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 May 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link

any rationalizing of "opening up" NOW is homicidal Trump-enabling

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 May 2020 23:04 (four years ago) link

re not eating meat, I made The NY Times spring tofu soup recipe today, it was good

Dan S, Friday, 1 May 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link

also really love Meera Sodha’s chilli tofu recipe in The Guardian

Dan S, Friday, 1 May 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link

this was my bible for many years

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/142850.Madhur_Jaffrey_s_World_of_the_East_Vegetarian_Cooking

then I married a carnivore, I do my best

epicenter of the fieri universe (sleeve), Friday, 1 May 2020 23:35 (four years ago) link

Non-outbreak aside: Soon as you get tofu home, stick it in the freezer at least overnight. Defrost, press out the water between plates in the sink, and the ice crystal growth leaves it with a meatier somewhat fibrous texture. Tofu's just a blank canvas, you have to marinate the hell out of it and use high heat cooking (saute/broil/deep fry) before its comparable in interest with less labor intensive meat. I'm keen on TJ's "high-protein" tofu (like extra-extra-firm) and jerk seasoning.

speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Friday, 1 May 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link

i thought this was insightful

There's really three phrases you need to know to understand the spread of the pandemic in America:

* Prisons
* Meat packing plants
* Nursing homeshttps://t.co/FaS3u17Rwy

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— Covered Dish People (@doctorow) May 2, 2020

i am a horse girl (map), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:49 (four years ago) link

^^ yes, in many ways that summarizes the basic problems with America

epicenter of the fieri universe (sleeve), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:54 (four years ago) link

Prisoners and nursing home residents do not "spread the pandemic". They are recipients but are hardly active as vectors.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 May 2020 00:58 (four years ago) link

The IHME forecast that Trump has been relying heavily on for his projections has finally been removed from the CDC website's resource page.

The IHME's last projection through August 4th was 72.4k deaths, a number that should be surpassed in 4 days from now (May 5th).

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:01 (four years ago) link

Aimless stop quibbling. This basically summarizes what the real problems are in America: the prison-industrial complex, the military-industrial complex, lack of health/elderly care, and big agriculture/factory farming. The virus strips the facade bare.

epicenter of the fieri universe (sleeve), Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link

1, the thread explains that nursing home workers often work in multiple homes because they don't get paid very much so they are actually active vectors and 2, i don't understand your point? anyway i thought it was insightful in how it links these places together and hints at the forces they have in common.

i am a horse girl (map), Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:20 (four years ago) link

I would just like to note that I was on the money when I said the ihme forecast had a bunch of problems.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:28 (four years ago) link

We're all only in this position because of some pricks who wanted to eat exotic meat.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 2 May 2020 01:45 (four years ago) link

Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally

As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.

The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). In the earliest case, the patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that, in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 2 May 2020 02:23 (four years ago) link

If someone wants to say that nursing home residents and employees, meat processing plant employees and prisoners are among the worst treated people in the USA, I'll sign up without hesitation. If someone wants to say that because nursing homes, prisons and meat processing plants are considered as full of expendable people, I'm good with that. Imply that those people may be largely responsible for "the spread of the pandemic" and my objecting to that construction doesn't feel like quibbling to me.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 May 2020 03:09 (four years ago) link

our Democratic mayor is lobbying to open hair salons as of Monday.

MOTHERFUCKING WHY?

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 May 2020 03:10 (four years ago) link

people are very attached to their hair

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 May 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link

i'd like to make their heads unattached from their body

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 May 2020 04:10 (four years ago) link

maybe there's a youtube that shows how to do that

(sorry, I'll sign off now)

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 2 May 2020 04:26 (four years ago) link

Prisoners and nursing home residents do not "spread the pandemic". They are recipients but are hardly active as vectors.

Doctorow does not label members of either of those categories as being responsible for spreading the pandemic, nor being active as vectors, in that thread.

Elon's musk (sic), Saturday, 2 May 2020 04:30 (four years ago) link

But analysts say that without centralized governance and coordination, the national effort remains a competing coalition of state and local outfits hampered by duplicated work, competition for supplies, siloed pursuits of non-transferable solutions and red tape that leaves some labs with testing backlogs and others with excess capacity.

All of which leaves the US without a unified, coherent strategy for testing and contact tracing to contain a virus that does not respect state borders and has already killed more than 60,000 Americans.


This is what I mean. The DARPA test could be a gamechanger (ugh sorry) but it needs a functioning bureaucracy. The state-by-state patchwork doesn’t seem like it would be enough.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 2 May 2020 11:36 (four years ago) link

These protesters defied the lockdown to gather in central London.

Their reckless actions are more likely to prolong lockdown and add to the burden on the NHS. pic.twitter.com/o2maYW3DYW

— PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) May 2, 2020

the 5g/anti-lockdown/anti-vax posse, thankfully at what looks like a small turnout in London. Shouldn't really laugh at them ... actually fuck it loool - "fits together like a glove - wake up people!"

calzino, Saturday, 2 May 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link

Blonde shoulder bag woman clearly heading towards a major breakdown, 'fits like a glove' guy already there

all things must pasteurize (Matt #2), Saturday, 2 May 2020 17:44 (four years ago) link

It’ll be like nazi Germany but dystopian

Microbes oft teem (wins), Saturday, 2 May 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link

Nazi Germany without the good points.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:01 (four years ago) link

Future nazi : need to sort out these millions of corpses in our newly conquered leopardsprawn, it's like a bloody nazi dystopia round here!

calzino, Saturday, 2 May 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link

shit like this is why I won't give the "you have to cut them slack, they're scared and struggling" defense any time of day:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-city-ends-face-mask-rule-shoppers-after-store-employees-n1198736?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 May 2020 23:46 (four years ago) link

Once again, it's a real shame that it won't be just these "muh freedom!" assholes who die.

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 2 May 2020 23:48 (four years ago) link

between the example above and the horrible shitstain of a human who carried the sign reading "ARBEIT MACHT FREI, JB", directed towards the Jewish governor of Illinois, there are a lot of people I want flayed or drawn and quartered rn.

genital giant (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 May 2020 23:57 (four years ago) link

Russia's either peaking or, more likely, they're going to end up right behind the US in caseload.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/

I was expressing skepticism about their numbers a few weeks ago; I guess it was just a matter a time, although the delay still seems odd.

clemenza, Sunday, 3 May 2020 04:06 (four years ago) link

Good article on how the administration, 538, even Fauci leaned too hard on overly optimistic models such as the IHME until this past week to encourage quarantine breaking:

The IMHE model, in particular, has come under increasing criticism — “It’s not a model that most of us in the infectious-disease epidemiology field think is well suited,” Harvard’s Marc Lipsitch told Stat News. That’s especially true after a paper found that on 70 percent of days, the death count fell outside the IMHE’s 95 percent confidence interval (this sounds wonky, but it means that the model gave a range it expected to contain 95 percent of all possible outcomes, and only 30 percent of real outcomes actually fell within it). But in part because it made a name for itself early in the epidemic, IMHE remains a trusted name in the media (on the FiveThirtyEight podcast last week, Nate Silver interviewed its main author and offered praise for the model) and, in fact, its projections have ticked back up recently, though just by a few ticks, with a present estimate of 72,433 deaths by August 4. If the country stays on Wednesday’s pace, it will hit that number by May 4.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/what-the-coronavirus-models-cant-see.html

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 3 May 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link

As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is [Removed Illegal Link] from coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on modeling by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.

mookieproof, Monday, 4 May 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link


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