27 YEARS SINCE A CANADIAN TEAM WON THE CUP WILL THIS BE THE YEAR (no): THE NHL 2019-2020 THREAD (INCLUDING BLUES HANGOVER AND OFFSEASON SHENANIGANS. HOCKEY IS THE BEST)

a canadian team will not win the stanley cup this year

OR WILL THEY (THEY WON'T)

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/gary-bettman-newser-nhl-playoff-format-1.5585260

how about single elimination

you must be a leafs fan

why don't we just draw cards

This week marks the first time in the Toronto Maple Leafs' 102-year history that their season is still alive in June.

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Love to see it

featuring a pair of former penguins greats

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weird 2 me that doug wilson is in HHOF and not, like, Mike Richter (Roenick is cancelled iirc)

wilson won a norris, eight-time all-star, plus he gets credit as an executive

i think the hall struggles with how to rate goalies, and tbh i don't feel like richter was really on the level of some of his contemporaries (hasek, roy, cujo, belfour). his first comp on hockey-db is . . . former kings great kelly hrudey. plus his greatest moment was the 1996 world cup, and, you know

it's gonna be interesting to see what happens with fleury. never really a top-top goalie, never won a vezina, but he's won three cups, been occasionally brilliant, and is already fifth all-time in wins

And the sharks’ first captain

I think richter straddles the accomplishment/fame threshold.

Fleury reads like Osgood to me tbrr

wilson is also the highest-scoring defenseman in the history of an original-six team. (yeah it was the 80s, but still).

yeah, i can see the osgood comp. but i think he's likely to end up third all-time in wins, which, while not a great measure, is still historic.

luongo's obviously in; i guess henrik too?

osgood shd be in the HoF imo

not for any logical reason, he was just one of my favs growing up

the bar seems higher for goalies, fairly or not

in the last 20 years: Fuhr, Roy, Brodeur, Hasek, Belfour, and Rogie Vachon.

tough to compare across eras, too. grant fuhr's career save percentage was .887!

Tim Thomas and Carey Price should make it in, along with Lu and Lundqvist. I wonder about cases like Ryan Miller, Kiprusoff, or Pekka Rinne...

Fuhr won the Vezina with an .881 pctg...you couldn't keep a starting job with that now

you wouldn't be in the league with that now!

not so sure about tim thomas -- a few incredible seasons, but he didn't play very long and him being a dick won't help

Tim Thomas had a high short ceiling; I would also like to see osgood in as well just to keep it weird. Heinrik is 100% in. Price seems too brittle to have any real traction - I could see him getting in eventually. Idk if luongo is in first ballot even tho he’s a beloved weirdo

Curtis Joseph (choker) isn’t in and he’s’ 7 all time

Fleury not really a starter for two of his three Cups. He was also such a head case in the playoffs sometimes. I do love him for all time for his performance in the 2011-2012 Flyers-Pens series. Who knew you could make Bryzgalov look good?

I mean maybe fleury’s comp is Fhur in that he was on a bunch of stellar teams and racked up weeeeeeens but isn’t the Difference maker

He's impressed me way more in LV than he ever did in Pitt.

Absolutely

fleury also like fuhr in playing on teams that played little defense

what a weird career thomas had -- he wasn't a legit nhl player until he was 31!

luongo is absolutely first-ballot (and better than brodeur)

v. excited by 23 new answers in the nhl thread <3

I'm super-excited about the restart, though I worry about the players and think there is a very good chance everything gets shutdown again before they can finish.

you wouldn't be in the league with that now!

Jimmy Howard at .882 this year (so you're right)

luongo is absolutely first-ballot

YES <3

(and better than brodeur)

god I wish

Guess I meant that if goalies could get in the HOF at the same rate as other players, all those guys I listed would be deserving. Like Ryan Miller, or Ron Hextall, or Pekka Rinne, were probably better goalies than Hossa or Kevin Lowe were at their positions?

if you put luongo at the back of the system the devils played . . . well, he'd probably get bored. but also, yes, better imo

Luongo was somehow better facing 40 shots a game than 15

idk, hard to judge lowe without looking at the teams he was on. fully support hossa, though -- strong defensively in addition to all the points

Ftr I’m always a big hall guy so my observations are a thought exercise rather than saying so and so shouldn’t be in but so and so should be. Except jack morris

otm

Guess I meant that if goalies could get in the HOF at the same rate as other players, all those guys I listed would be deserving. Like Ryan Miller, or Ron Hextall, or Pekka Rinne, were probably better goalies than Hossa or Kevin Lowe were at their positions?

Not disagreeing (maybe) with your overall point, I'm not sure Miller, Hextall, or Rinne are the ones to make that argument. As a Flyers' fan, I know Hextall's game well and only his first few years were HOF worthy. His comparables on hockey reference are in the Bill Ranford/Dwayne Roloson class and only made one All-Star Game. His style is a point in his favor as his puck-handling was somewhat influential. Also, he holds the season record for PIMs for a goalie with 113.

*he* only made

the bar seems higher for goalies, fairly or not

― Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:49 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Also re: this i think it's more about pool/position size than selectivity (tho that factors in). there are 18 players/ team + 2 goalies, only one of which sees any PT in a usual circumstance, so we're down to 31 possibilities at any given point in time. Goalie qualifying thresholds:

"The goaltenders listed played a minimum of 500 NHL regular season games
and won over 250 NHL games or recorded 50 or more shutouts in the NHL."

So you need a goalie that plays 6 years min - that's the hard bar to cross. For example, 250/6 = 41.6 wins a year (yuck).

Per some light googling on the internet the average career of an NHL player is 5 years; assume the same for goalies.

So like the result is that you're truly excellent (you talked me into luongo as 1st ballot) and play for 15-20 years or sort of dick around for 10-12 years due in part to competence (Sean Burke/Andy Moog) or lack of creativity (potvin? hrudey? to name two Kings)

Also Nabokov has 353 fucking career wins! Beezer has 374!

also per the internet:

2021:

Jagr (!!!)
Zetterberg
The Sedin twins, if you believe they ever existed. i don't think they're good enough but idc!

2022
Jagr (depending on which source you believe he's still getting paid somewhere and isn't eligible for HHOF until he really quits)
Luongo

the sedins are as real as you and me

Hextall deserves it for the penalty minutes record alone. But I take your point.

Looking at past HOF classes it is hard to find really undeserving skaters who are in. It just seems that a skater either needs to hit a certain points threshold or win one major award to have a good chance of getting in, while one Vezina or Conn Smythe or two-three years of having the top stats in the league is not enough for a goalie. But maybe that's OK!

It's easy for fanbases to turn on goalies when they slip into mediocrity too, we don't appreciate past excellence when a goalie is killing your team every night. Maybe goalies are just not as beloved.

Like all sports, championships have an out-sized influence on one's HOF candidacy. In Lowe's case, he has 6 Cups but never came close to winning a major award and never even made an AS game, both of which should be a bare minimum to get in the HOF.