Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Let's rank them.

I wish Biden and his defenders wouldn't lean so much on the fact that he championed legislation that benefited women. You can do that and still commit sexual assault.

for example, uh, Kavanaugh

Biden pledges not to pardon Trump

Former Vice President Joe Biden vowed Thursday that, if elected to the White House in November, he would not use his new executive powers to pardon President Donald Trump of any potential crimes.

The pledge from the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee came during a virtual town hall on MSNBC, when Biden was asked by a voter whether he would be willing to commit “to not pulling a President Ford” and pardoning Trump “under the pretense of healing the nation.”

He was not on a list of “creepy” male senators that female staffers told each other to avoid in the elevators on Capitol Hill.

I think a lot of the coverage of Reade is based on in-the-know reporters having a mental list of who all the senate creeps were and Biden not being on it.

Shitty Congressional Men

They could put together a calendar of them and sell it for charity.

Biden acted like a hideous creep to women right out in public, on camera, alll the time. No need to put him on a secret whisperlist of creeps.

The knives are out for Tara Reade.

Remember, the Washington press likes Joe Biden. A lot. They hated Hillary Clinton (and she hated them), and they thought Trump was a scamp and a rascal. But now they hate Trump, even if they're too cowardly to really attack him (with rare exceptions), and they're remembering how much they've always liked ol' Joe.

the DNC has gone full "good dude backed hard"

Her credit score of 580 proves that she's lying

Trump's international failures have cleared a path for Cuba to join the UN Human Rights Council. This would betray Cuba's political prisoners and further undermine U.S. diplomacy. As President, I will lead by empowering the Cuban people and defending human rights.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) May 15, 2020

Joe Biden sucks for many reasons.

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It should be embarrassing that he's going to debase himself like this and Florida Cubans are still going to vote 2:1 for Trump.

It’s good to know Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are just a bunch of frauds according to noted internet poster milo

So, uh, what’s the incarceration situation like comparing the US (on the HRC until last year) and Cuba? Or Saudi Arabia (also a member until last year) and Cuba?

You can go ahead and tell us, you have all the answers

doesn’t the US have the highest incarceration rate in the world?[citation needed]

We have a quarter of the world’s prisoners, so man I hope so

Debasing yourself for Joe Biden is even more embarrassing than Joe Biden debasing himself for Florida reactionaries.

At least he could theoretically get something out of it.

Who says I don’t get anything out of winding you up?

"I'm just trolling you" I insist as I slowly shrink and transform into a corncob

you have to debase yourself for Florida reactionaries every time you step into Florida tbf

I’m just out of practice. You’ve been trolling US politics threads for at least a couple of years at this point, let me get some reps in

ok hands up if you aren't trolling

Go for it, silby.

I guess I was trolling just now tbf

you have to debase yourself for Florida reactionaries every time you step into Florida tbf

The only time I've been Florida was in 2000. I was in Orlando for a professional conference. The general effect it had on me felt debasing. At the time I blamed Disney Corporation, but the reactionaries may have contributed, too.

oh man being in Orlando is like a whole other species of self-debasement

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/14/joe-biden-latino-outreach-255282

Should be fine

Debasing yourself for Joe Biden is even more embarrassing than Joe Biden debasing himself for Florida reactionaries.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, May 16, 2020 12:13 AM (four hours ago)

yeah it's so gross that people actually want the democratic candidate to win the election

"It'll be the same no matter who gets in," says the white guy

Says the white guy?

It won't be massively different to make enough of a difference says a non-white person, on the internet, who can't even vote in your election.

Pretty sure there's a difference in grudgingly voting for the lesser evil and rushing in to defend turning to the Cuban Question playbook from 1974 (to be fair, Biden might currently think it's 1974).

But even better - if you live in California or DC or New York, you're not saving the world from fascism by voting for the sex creep (or outright sex criminal) with shitty views on everything. You're just gleefully voting for the sex creep (or outright sex criminal) with shitty views on everything.

wow

hopefully trump wins again to teach us all a lesson eh

it must be a wild ride not being able to hold two ideas in your head at the same time

how do you keep defaulting to the same reductive nonsense?

both of you guys though, seriously

I really don't anyone itt is gleefully voting for Biden, and neither are those of us horrified at the prospect of a Biden presidency hoping Trump wins instead

this place would be way cooler for the next six months if we could just lop off the 1% outlier takes on both ends of the spectrum

xp don't *think* anyone

Are you seriously saying milo represents an outlier? his position is well within the mainstream of current us politics thread talk. Democrats are as bad or worse than the GOP, repeat ad infinitum.

I'm sympathetic to MIlo's stance and I guess I think he's errs on the side of trolling you, unperson, et al...and that you guys do the same

I also think (and he can knock this down) that "Democrats are worse" is not an equivalency argument.

I think it's fair to argue that people who purport to share your values at the expense of upholding them are "worse" than those who don't even pretend to.

I’m well past the point of wasting my time and energy attempting to have an earnest discussion about why Democrats might actually be a tad bit better than Republicans, with any of you, really.

It’s all apparently driven by religious thinking at this point, and I’m clearly in a separate cult than the majority of posters still dense and stubborn enough to participate in these threads in the first place.

Like I don't expect anything from Wilbur Ross or Jared Kushner. Those people are snakes, and when they're gone there will be others in their place.

I do have expectations of the people who are in the position to try and disrupt that cycle, though. And when in self-interest those people co-opt and distort the principles we need to uphold to actually do that—yeah, they're "worse" in that particular, narrow sense. They're in the way.

Like I'm not gonna jump up and down yelling at my mugger. That's what he does: mugs people. But the cop who looks the other way because he knows the guy's family or whatever" "Worse."

One thing I appreciate about Joe Biden is his telling people not to vote for him -- not that I need his permission, but the directness is refreshing. And I won't. Thanks Joe! Good luck in November, if you make it that far. pic.twitter.com/Qacli9CGoP

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) May 15, 2020

I mean, Tombot's fighting phantoms in his head with the "oh u think Democrats are WORSE" but go on.

Biden is garbage. He has always been garbage. In the future he will continue to be garbage but increasingly confused and disconnected from the world around him. You don't have to vote for him - whether you think he's committed sexual assault or not, if you profess to hold liberal or progressive views and don't live in one of the handfuls of states that actually matter, the mere thought of voting for Biden should turn your stomach. Criticizing Joe Biden is not praising Donald Trump.

"Oh you only criticize Democrats"/'only Democrats have political agency, huh?!?!" - as ever, the Vote Blue equivalent of "well, we have a higher standard of living than Eritrea" - cool, I don't live there and have no influence over the policies of Eritrea. The Democrats are the only team with some semblance of expectations and the only team I have some vague infinitesimal influence over. We know Republicans are evil - that's one of the problems with Joe Biden, he doesn't seem to grasp that.

Donald Trump should be strung up in the town square like Mussolini, Joe Biden should just be exiled to Joshua Tree and forced to live without air conditioning.