Lana Del Rey

I agree that as a rule musicians shouldn't bother getting into the much of rebutting criticism but the idea she's talking about something not-real is pretty blatantly false

“I’m not not a feminist—but there has to be a place in feminism for women who look and act like me—the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes—the kind of women who are slated mercilessly for being their authentic, delicate selves, the kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women or by men who hate women.”

this reads very differently when you go beyond the first five words

there is a tiny kernel of a point (female artists especially are expected to make a didactic, good-role-model music) buried in a lot of bad take

authentic

I really wish this word hadn't been bludgeoned to death.

Opening with “now that all the darkies had hits with their punanis, can’t I just be famous and sad in peace” is not going to put me in a space to give her the benefit of the doubt.

^^^^^^

who are some white women who've had number ones recently besides Ariana

like the optics are clearly bad but what kinda dataset are we working with here

(this is a real question, I don't pay attention to the pop charts and I had to google Doja Cat's ethnicity)

actually it would have been smart to name Eilish cause I don't recall anyone giving her shit for "Bad Guy" (idk maybe they did and I missed The Discourse)

I mostly saw "it's super creepy that her brother wrote that song for her" countered by "they wrote it together and the creepiness is obviously intentional"

that sounds about right

I was just listening to the new 1975 and I was imagining the absolute shitstorm that would befall LDR if she has similarly included a "cheeky" lyric about how she was "too busy" to get involved in politics

Simon doesn't care if you're a black, white, green, purple Doja Cat

moo!

why bring any of those women into it?

I was just listening to the new 1975 and I was imagining the absolute shitstorm that would befall LDR if she has similarly included a "cheeky" lyric about how she was "too busy" to get involved in politics

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:16 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

... is this a scenario that would ever happen

why bring any of those women into it?

she should definitely have just stuck to "my contemporaries" or something

is this a scenario that would ever happen

no I do not think this exact scenario I completely imagined would happen. but it's really not hard for me to locate the feeling that she inspires vitriol for things other artists don't get pilloried for. just the mention of her name to certain friends has inspired remarkable levels of derision that go well beyond the norm. (and I don't think they're reading interviews.)

I still really like her but she does seem, lately, to kind of explode in anger at aspects of reviews that no one else seems to recognize or see. I wish it was clearer what she was explicitly reacting to here.

she does get a lot of shit she doesn't deserve but she's really brought it on herself here

yeah to be clear the ratio of kernel of point to bad take is something like 5:95

this reads very differently when you go beyond the first five words

Yes, it reads like "I'm not a feminist except for when it's convenient and directly beneficial to me."

the kind of woman who says no but men hear yes

pretty sure this is not a kind of woman but her metaphysics of relations seems to be very advanced

'norman fucking rockwell' is a great album

the kind of women who get their own stories and voices taken away from them by stronger women

Is this meant to refer to Ann P0wers specifically?

as with the ann powers thing my reaction to this is mainly: whut

having ppl comb thru yr every thought and sound with dismissiveness/derision (and yes a ton of sexism) makes some ppl extremely defensive. It's not rocket science

i gotta be real i do not think this statement makes enough sense to defend, and that opening line is horrendous, and once again i am like "wow it's even more incredible that this seemingly profoundly un-self-aware person is credited with creating a deeply layered persona that refracts america back at itself or whatever"

once again i am like "wow it's even more incredible that this seemingly profoundly un-self-aware person is credited with creating a deeply layered persona that refracts america back at itself or whatever"

But what's more American than a total lack of self-awareness?

lol otm

shhh i hear thinkpieces brewing xp

Thinkpiece blueprint no. 1: said lack may in fact be imputable to excess.

can't publish thinkpieces with no more media

Equating her with Kanye as some have is super unfair imo. Her thoughts are messy and sometimes poorly formed but she's very far from some kind of MAGA shithead nor does she seem to be on that trajectory.

this thinkpiece must of course incorporate her titles and lyrics for that perfect DON'T YOU SEE effect

Let's all fight the real enemy, Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith

Hope is a Dangerous Thing for a Lana Del Rey Fan to Have

by ALFRED SOTO

Go on.

Her thoughts are messy and sometimes poorly formed but she's very far from some kind of MAGA shithead nor does she seem to be on that trajectory.

There's no good way to articulate how her "I intend to give reparations... to the Navajo" felt like a specific, intentional dig after that opening salvo without making it seem like I don't think native Nations deserve reparations (I do not agree with that position; everyone fucked over by the Europeans that colonized this continent deserves reparations) but that is how that felt to me.

what did Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith do?

anti-vax

haha when I saw this thread had 75 new answers next to KAS’s 62, I immediately thought ‘oh, not another one’

shit....new agey yoga shit is a risk factor for anti vax... bummer

There's no good way to articulate how her "I intend to give reparations... to the Navajo" felt like a specific, intentional dig after that opening salvo without making it seem like I don't think native Nations deserve reparations (I do not agree with that position; everyone fucked over by the Europeans that colonized this continent deserves reparations) but that is how that felt to me.

I think you and LDR might be closer to kindred spirits than you think

I’m not actively disdainful of black people so I find that doubtful

Hark! More wisdom from the sage. (It apparently can be summed up as 'why are my haters so foolish and stupid'.)

Lana commented on & clarified her most recent posts. pic.twitter.com/ApIybO1KRL

— Lana Del Rey Online (@LanaDReyOnline) May 21, 2020

i'd like to point out that Ariana Grande is not a POC despite what lots of people think or thought (I assumed she was hispanic until last year).

i believe that LDR gives money to NA groups in response to having worn a headress in the Ride video which didn't create much controversy at the time but did more recently when it became more taboo to do such things.

head dress that is.