Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

I do generally worry that he'll lose because of lack of enthusiasm.

Isn't the argument here that Trump is uniquely unpopular and that unpopularity is what will supply the enthusiasm to get Biden over the line?

That's part of it, that people will show up just to vote "not Trump," but polling is starting to indicate that Biden is actually poaching Trump's voters. That old people are gonna vote for him.

Elections are always binaries choices b/w two evils. When haven't they been? At least for POC.

Is that how Obama was perceived?

For me, yeah. In 2008 he said he opposed gay marriage when his record in Illinois said otherwise and supported the FISA expansions

It also makes me really anxious, I have to say. Milo likes to mention that he lives in a red state, but Texas is gradually turning purple thanks to demographic trends, and recent polls show the race fairly close there. States aren't intrinsically red or blue; they become that way because of individual voters. You may decide that your individual vote doesn't matter because there are millions of other people in your state, but who's to say that a lot of those other people aren't making the same decision?

otm

also, obv i don't see this thread as influencing the election. we can all go to town here for Biden, or not, it won't matter. but the thread does serve as a bellwether of sorts. it certainly doesn't represent what all democratic voters think of biden, but i think it does represent what the left side of that voting bloc thinks.

idk any young person in real life who is pumped to vote for biden. but almost all of them are going to vote for him, all the same. it's more like a civic duty, to defeat trump. and since young people forget to vote every goddamn election, and the revolution didn't take place this year, what ultimately matters is how many racist old farts decide to either not vote (like my parents this year - i did it!) or to switch their votes to biden. it's a helpless feeling, which i think is what promotes some of the bad vibes itt

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/20/andrew-cuomo-new-york-coronavirus-catastrophe?

Pretty much how a Biden admin is going to play out. At least he is not Trump 1000 times a day.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, May 21, 2020 5:26 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

cuomo and biden are different kinds of shitheads imo

i wonder what editing nathan robinson is like, seems horrible

i mistakenly thought cuomo was a republican for years. as much as boe jiden sucks, i don't think i'd ever confuse him for a republican

someone please jump in here and inform me of the top 15 reasons joe biden is indistinguishable from a republican

He thinks repubs are humans so that's one knock against him for sure

Pretty much how a Biden admin is going to play out.

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, May 21, 2020

How?

1. doesn't think quickly, relies on old talking points and slogans, doesn't seem to understand what's actually going on

oh GOD I didn't even see Robinson's co-byline.

i thought leftists hated robinson now bc he criticized marx

oops, didn't mean to suggest that he IS indistinguishable from a republican. just saying, if you squint your eyes and you don't follow politics, he doesn't really stand out

xp

don't get me wrong, cuomo sucks ass AND nathan robinson is a bad writer and thinker

I soured on him a while ago but that did not help xps

very hard to keep up on which writers are hated and why

Also tbc he said "socialists would be better off if Marx had never been born" which was some real nonsense

idk if it's nonsense - he might have a point (socialism or at the very least political commitments to economic egalitarianism predates marx considerably) but this is prob not the thread to discuss it. (what is the thread? maybe the political philosophy one???)

very hard to keep up on which writers are hated and why

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:55 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

all articles and writers of articles are bad

despise articles

It also makes me really anxious, I have to say. Milo likes to mention that he lives in a red state, but Texas is gradually turning purple thanks to demographic trends, and recent polls show the race fairly close there.

We're at the cruel part of our biannual game where polls and talking heads start teasing liberals with the idea of a purple Texas, ensuring that Republicans can never win another national election without those 35 EVs.

Joe Biden will lose Texas by the same margin Hillary lost. If Nov. 1 polling shows a statistical tie I might have to make a harder choice - but it won't happen. Every two years this is the year! But the dry spell without a single statewide Democrat elected rolls on - it got a nice discount on car insurance last year, turning 25.

(Part of the reason I say that confidently is that the key to turning Texas purple is Latino engagement and turnout... and Joe Biden's sucking eggs, relatively speaking, with Latino voters.)

No one has said "Joe Biden will win Texas," everyone has implied Texas (and Georgia) are trending in our direction. Trends are nudges.

On Florida I won't speculate. If he gets Latino and black voters, he wins the state.

maybe the political philosophy one?

t'would be very apt

the real villains are the Palestinian people for not making better choices

On Florida I won't speculate. If he gets Latino and black voters, he wins the state.

Whats your feel for how well he's doing with latino and black voters down there?

Seems weird how thirsty some Democrats seem to be for the VP spot. I don't recall Tim Kaine or Joe Biden lobbying for months for the job.

Maybe they know that Biden is dead and has been replaced with a deepfake for the last month.

hasn't he said that he'd be a one term president? maybe they figure it's 4 years of probably hands on VP situation considering Joe's skills and then frontrunner for nom in 2024.

they figure he's gonna die in the next 18 months

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/21/warren-vice-president-271938

"I think right now people want to see improvements in our health care system, and that means strengthening the Affordable Care Act," she told students at the University of Chicago’s Institute of Politics this week, while adding that she still wants to get to single payer eventually.

I guess I should know better than to be disappointed in this...having seen it for basically the final third of her campaign. Shameful.

I can't imagine why such a powerful, influential senator would want this job, unless she just wants to be prez and is counting on Biden croaking

(she'll be 75 in 2024)

Warren’s policy-centered, team-player pitch is counting on Biden caring more about Jan. 20 than Nov. 3, when he makes his vice presidential pick. In other words, that the current crisis has elevated governing concerns above political ones — and that the times call for someone with her policy chops and, yes, plans.

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Whats your feel for how well he's doing with latino and black voters down there?

― anvil, Thursday, May 21, 2020

He leads by anywhere between three and six points, but I'm more interested in how he fares with independent and, crucially, seniors, with whom he's losing ground.

they figure he's gonna die in the next 18 months

He better not hang on that long, I got money on him not making it

to Nov

Seems weird how thirsty some Democrats seem to be for the VP spot. I don't recall Tim Kaine or Joe Biden lobbying for months for the job.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, May 21, 2020 1:07 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That's because they probably did it in private. Someone pointed out that Stacey Abrams has to do it in public because she doesn't have the same connections that a sitting member of Congress does. I don't really buy that since she's clearly a rising star in the party, but I also don't have an issue with a public campaign if it forces Biden to not simply stick with his instincts.

(Part of the reason I say that confidently is that the key to turning Texas purple is Latino engagement and turnout... and Joe Biden's sucking eggs, relatively speaking, with Latino voters.)

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, May 21, 2020 12:11 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

You're right that it's not going to happen if voters aren't mobilized to turn out. Too bad that's something you can't possibly do anything about.

Someone needs to mobilize Milo!

Joe Biden’s problems with Latino voters extends beyond ‘gotta turn em out.’ He doesn’t appear to appeal to Latino voters particularly well (see also: the primaries) and he also doesn’t seem all that interested in doing so (per the Politico piece that quoted Hillary’s Latino outreach guy).

if ilx fails to mobilise milo then trump's victory is our fault imo

Texas’s problems also extend well beyond outreach - as shown in 2018 you can mobilize the fuck out of urban voters but the hinterlands and rich suburbs are as entrenched in their reactionary Republican milieu as anywhere in the country.

Also tbc he said "socialists would be better off if Marx had never been born" which was some real nonsense

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:55 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the two major projects that came out of marxism - marxism-leninism and social democracy have both been, to be extremely charitable, failures.

Also, a ton of voting locations have been shut down to help slow the shift in voting patterns.

xp

also I tried to make this point in the primary threads about Bernie's failures with black voters rendering him clearly unfit for the nomination etc. etc. etc. - Latino voters will outnumber black voters in 2020 and they're not as strongly Democratic, there's way more room to move the vote share there (and unlike black voters, Latino voters are willing to vote Republican). Biden striking out with young voters and Latino voters is what makes me give Trump a stronger shot at winning than a lot of the polls you people post are giving him right now. Those two demographics aren't enough to win you a primary but they may well be enough to lose you a general.

someone please jump in here and inform me of the top 15 reasons joe biden is indistinguishable from a republican

as of a few weeks ago, was still talking about picking a Republican as running mate

He said a woman would be his VP, he never said a Democratic woman. Carly Fiorentino COME ON DOWN

sorry that’s 2.

Too bad that's something you can't possibly do anything about.

The onus is on the party establishment to nominate and promote a qualified candidate that inspires and encourages voter turnout in the general election, and on that nominee and their campaign to convince voters they are worthy of being elected. Also, Latin Americans nationwide have no problems mobilizing in droves to vote for candidates that actually support their interests. If there is concern over their enthusiasm and potential turnout in November for the Democratic nominee that is again, an indictment on the nominee themselves and the campaign behind them.

the two major projects that came out of marxism - marxism-leninism and social democracy have both been, to be extremely charitable, failures.

what are the major political projects that emerged out of the late 19th/early 20th century that turned out to be successes?