outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGgWf2lacM

I’m not going to yell at some dick who’ll probably just hit me

Or shoot me.

I'm very much not a person who is going to create the possibility for violence where alternatives exist, but if I'm yelling at someone in a supermarket, I've probably already mentally prepared for my bout with Glass Joe

I wouldn’t be so sure about a standard mask capturing all the aerosol droplets from someone yelling/screaming as shown in the video

I regret using "yelling" as shorthand for "clearly enunciated contempt"

can we use "public shaming" instead?

ty, carry on

Are they screaming like Blackie Lawless or just raising their voice

Xpost

ha, exactly

Good for Mongolia.

Vietnam and Greece also seem to be success stories

Meanwhile, in America, the "Deep State Mapping Project" is here to show you how this whole thing is a false flag disinformation op intended to subvert the 2020 election...and it goes all the way back to 1918!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EY88a7dU8AIodki.jpg

man, there's nobody keith haring's estate won't collab with

ahahahaha

I can count on one hand the number of times I've politely asked someone to stop being a jag in public and not gotten some unsubtle variation of "FUCK YOU!" as a response. I used to think they were just really self-centered but now I kinda realize they're authoritarians and just having their guys running the country isn't enough; they are miserable if they can't impose their will on others. The pandemic, for them, is an opportunity to constantly do this with weaponized breathing.

Curious about what happens if you fold that in quarters vertically and bring the two sides together.

xp wait are you talking about the people with or the people without masks?

Xpost what, me worry?

people without masks! people who are wearing masks seem to understand the distinction between "this is the right thing to do" and "this is what I want to do" whereas for the mask-refusers, those statements seem to be indistinguishable, and there's nothing really but a hierarchy of force

Are you guys mad at people just going for a walk without a mask or just those people going indoors?

If you're walking on your own and being mindful of others I don't think a mask is strictly necessary the entire time you're outside, but I don't know how many times while driving yesterday I saw clusters of unmasked people truckin' down the sidewalk and forcing everyone else to stay out of their way. That shit's egregious imo.

xp the latter, but the former is also pretty dumb imo given what we currently know about aerosolized droplet spread

I wouldn't say anything outdoors, but I'd move as far away from them as possible

OL otm

ORCHESTRA STRANDED
GERMAN CASTLE HAUNTED
WOLVES
CORONAVIRUS
BOLIVA
PANDEMIC
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Fantastic noise lineup

a mask doesn't completely prevent air from getting through, unperson

ORCHESTRA STRANDED
GERMAN CASTLE HAUNTED
WOLVES
CORONAVIRUS
BOLIVA
PANDEMIC
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

Fantastic noise lineup

― Master of Treacle, Tuesday, May 26, 2020 12:47 PM (one minute ago)

a mask doesn't completely prevent air from getting through, unperson

I am aware of this because I wear a mask every time I leave my apartment and I have not yet asphyxiated, but thanks for piping up again.

Cool it, Phil.

I am excited for covfefe powered American made tesla 5G to ingnite the great awakening.

RIP to the 'real name when shit gets heated' thread

Drove through Navajo rez today. Couple billboards about covid, one instructional on how to avoid catching and transmitting. Nearly everyone at the Walmart I stopped at to use bathroom was wearing masks.
In Escalante Utah now. County has had 3 cases total. Yet they still have more measures in place than AZ: employees anywhere wearing masks, enforcing 6 ft rule in bars and restaurants, etc. Bartender says memorial day weekend was busiest he's ever seen. Hopefully those tourists didn't bring cooties.

That Deep Spate mapping project needs photoshopping into the Charlie Day meme

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/27/japan-to-subsidise-visitors-holidays-in-effort-to-revive-tourism-shop-restaurant-discounts-coronavirus

These magic money tree seeds get everywhere! Probably not hitching a ride on cargo flights right now though.

Tourism to Japan used to be heavily subsidized back in the late 90s/early 00s, up until the rise of the internet and mobile technology. I remember one non-work trip I had where I got a unlimited rail pass and a 2000 mile (3000km) round trip domestic flight (upgraded!) added to my JAL flight for ~$200.

lol

Wow. The chief medical officer does not believe in their vaccine. Moderna never released data because it was just boosting its stock. https://t.co/agin67iV52

— Topher Spiro (@TopherSpiro) May 27, 2020

heh, according to those vanity fair "increasingly isolated" series of articles, trump has been telling everybody that the Moderna vaccine will be ready in a matter of months and everyone thinks he is very dumb

Warning: Link goes to Reddit

Basically, the numbers of deaths attributed to pneumonia in many states are 3-5x the average annual number. For example, according to the CDC, Florida has had 1,762 deaths from #COVID and 5,185 from pneumonia so far in 2020. Except the average number of pneumonia deaths in Florida from 2013-2018 is...918.

Just in case you get a variant of this thing in your facebook feed, it's bogus.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-mask-efficacy-chart/

thanks

The efficacy of face masks against the spread of COVID-19 is unknown.

hmm is this really true?

i think by that they mean the _precise_ efficacy (e.g., 10% effective 90% of the time, or whatever) is unknown

and it probably always will be, because there's like a million different variables and not too many people are signing up for the "stand in an enclosed room for 45 minutes with someone with coronavirus who isn't wearing a mask" study

but i don't know, it seems like common sense to me.

and also, the precise amount of rain that's going to fall tomorrow in chicago is unknown. but i know clouds will be rolling in and that i better plan my anniversary activities in the morning, not in the afternoon. i don't know with perfect precision, but i am still able to come to an informed decision using the information i have.

Totally, just if people think that there is a 70% chance (while wearing a mask!) they will get COVID from any unmasked infected people they come across, it may drive them to be more hostile toward the unmasked.

yeah, that's probably true. i have absolutely no sympathy for that kind of thinking, though. learning more about the precise efficacy of wearing a mask may drive them to worse behavior, it may be true. but ime people who are being hostile toward mask-wearers have a whole bunch of factors influencing their decision-making, and the actual efficacy of the mask is, counterintuitively, extremely low on the list

like, i just instantly flashback to some internet derp from the early 2010s commenting "global warming is a hoax. they can't predict the weather tomorrow, you're telling me they can predict the weather in 50 years? get outta here". no amount of more precise information is going to fix their problem. they start with what they want - to not change anything or be inconvenienced in any way - than work their way backward to try to throw doubt on anything that suggests otherwise. you can address the mask efficacy question, scientifically, but by the time you do they'll be on to the next dumb thing

Not to invite a roasting but I was worried about hostility toward the unmasked.

oh, whoops! i misread your post to say "hostility toward the masked", my bad

Both are bad!

The efficacy of face masks against the spread of COVID-19 is unknown.

hmm is this really true?

― sleeve, Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:18 PM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

empirically, the truth is we don’t know exactly and will probably never know. I can be as dogmatic as anyone about the importance of randomized trials when it comes to medications I prescribe, but up till now it has been more or less impossible to design a study on mask-wearing that will really answer the question we want to know, which is whether wearing masks reduces risk of transmission of [viral illness of interest]. I read the major trials a few weeks ago because, like you and karl, I was frustrated by the obstinacy of people whose opinions I respect when it comes to medical evidence who insisted that mask-wearing not be compelled in the absence of convincing evidence in its favor. the trials are mostly small, and the patients in the mask-wearing arms rarely actually wore the masks; not surprisingly, it has been difficult to show statistically a clear effect. this also gets at the deeper issue of what question randomized trials actually test, which even many doctors have difficulty grasping: these studies attempted to probe the effects of recommending mask-wearing; it is much more challenging to study the effects of actually wearing a mask. it is evident that, in more normal times, the benefits of recommending that people with the flu or another viral illness wear masks to protect family members (or vice versa) are likely marginal. what is worth debating is whether those data are necessarily generalizable to our current setting, when the topic of infectious disease and its spread is almost unavoidable, and the number of people who potentially stand to benefit is much greater. common sense, and basic knowledge of droplet kinetics, dictate that wearing masks most likely provides a small benefit that, considered at the scale of all of american society, probably translates to many lives saved.

the benefits of recommending that people with the flu or another viral illness wear masks to protect family members (or vice versa) are likely marginal.

Medical lab tech Katie Corley coughed on two petri dishes, one while wearing a mask, and one without a mask. (From her public FB post.) pic.twitter.com/Ez65r2lE2r

— Sophie Rapp (@SophieSRapp) May 25, 2020

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