Counter-trolling aside, we've given you a lot of straight answers, Melomane, so it is only meet and right that you should personally respond to each one of them.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link
is this Raccoon Tanuki's emo cousin
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
My question in the OP was completely sincere and I am on the outlook for new music, so rest assured that I am following up on every recommendation even to me here (except the obviously facetious ones like Jay-Z and Wu-Tang Clan). I don't think it necessary to mention every case where a given recommendation does not match what I'm looking for. As we can see from this thread, people are likely to take that lack of interest on my part as a value judgement, and be offended that certain art which connects with them does not connect with me.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link
Noodle Vague, seeking out music that is in some way culturally deracinated from its origins would not, as I have said, be controversial in many other genres. People ask for prog rock and Nordic jazz recommendations all the time. If my question about hip-hop offends so many here, that must be due to contemporary social concerns and the way people tie hip-hop as a genre to them.
For anyone who grew up under socialism (pomenitul would probably understand if he came of age aesthetically before 1989), the position taken by others here is disquieting. I thought that we were finally finished with the insistence that art must deal with the problems of struggling people, and if you seek art that is abstract, then that must mean that you are prejudiced against workers etc. and cruelly ignore their problems. But there will always be people whose tastes in art run to abstraction, and that does not mean approval of oppression.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
yes, it is in fact you who are being oppressed, a disquieting scene here for sure
― budo jeru, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
"i want to listen to rap that isn't rap"
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsqXHg9vmjs
― calzino, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
pomenitul would probably understand if he came of age aesthetically before 1989
I actually agree with you for the most part and my own aesthetic preferences tend towards l'art pour l'art (I think I've made that fairly obvious over the years), in no small part because I am well aware of the ravages of so-called 'socialist realism'. But 'tends' implies some amount of tension, so to speak, which I think raises a set of difficult questions that deserve our attention, starting with one you've yet to answer: what does it mean to paint a value judgement about art as a merely 'subjective' preference? I don't believe works of art exist to 'deal with the problems of struggling people' at all, but I do question why you would leave the type of art that does to others because it doesn't suit your 'tastes'? Is aesthetic taste an unquestionable datum, something that ought to remain unexamined, ohne Warum or 'just because'?
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
Not sure what the problem is with braggadocio anyway tbh. Anyway, lyrics? In one ear and out the other.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
It's uncivilized.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
I want to listen to heavy metal music that is only about parking meters
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
true abstraction is when you just pay no attention to the words
― mark s, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
i don't think that goes far enough, i like to self-administer ECT until my brain stops falling into recognising the stale old tropes of tonal music, rhythm, and what i'm supposed to be doing
― hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
Tbf an aural Voynich manuscript of hip-hop would be pretty awesome.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
plenty of genres and subgenres started out of not hearing the things you want in music that's around.
Thought of OP when I read an instrument review today....
I learned a LOT being a first time music maker/instrument user/midi etc I have NEVER done anything with music up until this year. Turned 30 and said "I'm TIRED of listening to these trash A** BEATS!!!" so I bought a Komplete Kontrol M32 Keyboard, a DeepMind 6 and an MPC Touch. Haven't used the DM6 yet but OMG I am already a legend in my mind with this MPC and the KK M32.
― maffew12, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
Complaining about rappers rapping about rapping is like complaining about rockers singing about rocking.
Not only does the latter seem valid to me but rockers themselves have done this much less since the 80s. I think it would seem weird if Thom Yorke or Win Butler sang something like "Rock You Like a Hurricane".
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
Also rappers rapping about rapping sounds p “l’art pour l’art” to me and not some sinister mandated social realism
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Karma policearrest this manhe cannot rock like us
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Not quite the same thing, but I'm reminded of this Walter Benjamin quip:
Of all the ways of acquiring books, writing them oneself is regarded as the most praiseworthy method. Writers are really people who write books not because they are poor, but because they are dissatisfied with the books which they could buy but do not like.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Insofar as autotelism is widely regarded as one of the pillars of art for art's sake, mos def.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
xxxp Rapping about rap really got overdone as a reaction to more social realist rap
― maffew12, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
I'm a creepI'm a virtuosoI rock you from ear to earBut I don't belong here
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
god i wish Radiohead just did Scorpions covers
― hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
Thought I was in the what's the most melodramatic pop song?' thread for a second.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
The Bends is mostly Scorpions covers iirc
― maffew12, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link
I can feel death, can see its beady eyes
Bona fide bragging.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
This thread is like going into the spam cafe and asking for something that doesn’t have spam in it
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
Tbf to OP hip-hop's signature sound was built on decontextualization and recontextualization.
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE2xRCG2ih0
― calzino, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
there's been plenty offered up that fits the bill, op hasn't even dismissed all of it yet.
― maffew12, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsnxDQvQpw
― pomenitul, Sunday, 31 May 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
can i get some dance music that isn't danceable?
oh yeah i can, i see there are hundreds of ILM threads about exactly that
strange that asking for rap that doesn't rap is somehow more controversial than asking for dance that doesn't dance or rock that doesn't rock
― lurks, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
rockers rocking about rocking (post 50s) is the most insufferable "mode" of rock, it's always bad, critically rehabilitated hard rock included
rappers rapping about rapping probably includes a lot of the best and worst rap though
― no (Left), Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dytxv6XPa3E
I will admit there are times I want to listen to, say, Slayer, or Sabbath, but I don't feel like hearing the stupid (proto or no) metal-trope lyrics. There are other times I do.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link
The suggestion that I listen to hip-hop in a language I don’t understand does seem like an honest attempt to answer my request in the OP, so thanks. But the problem here is that one of my biggest hobbies is language-learning, so I probably would not be oblivious to the lyrics for long.
troll
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link
fuck this troll, especially today
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:58 AM (four hours ago)
otm, fuck off
i could try to listen to something in a language i don't know, but i'm such a genius that i would inevitably learn the language and my listening pleasure would decrease significantly
fuuuuuck yoooooouuuuu
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link
google "news in the USA this year" and just fuck off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuTQ0JO0Ri4
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
Sund4r and Lurks get it. I find it just as tiresome when rockers sing about wanting to rock. I also don't like poets who write poems that constantly mention The Poem or poetry. I would prefer that the medium (whether a rock song, a poem, or a hip-hop track) be used to communicate something that is separate from the medium.
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link
― Karl Malone, Sunday, May 31, 2020 6:11 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
why would a non american wanna do this?
― oscar bravo, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:14 (three years ago) link
google "opinions from the USA" and you'll know
― lumen (esby), Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link
in order to obtain 1/100000000000th of a clue
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link
I am well aware of American news at the moment, thanks. But why should it be relevant to the music I want to listen to for entertainment? How many Americans follow news in other countries and form their aesthetic preferences based on that?
― Melomane, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
do you regularly google say "news in nigeria this year" news in "costa rica this year"?xp
― oscar bravo, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
this is america, we catch up with our multicultural friends' reports of happenings in their home lands over brunch
― lumen (esby), Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link
great thread
fucking ignorant assholes
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link
The wife's suggestion:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKOU_Z6Y8yQ
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link
Anyway, the perfect answer was released in 1995:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryDOy3AosBw
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAqZgv_TEGI
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link