Recommendations for hip-hop without braggadocio (or these other tropes)?

pomenitul would probably understand if he came of age aesthetically before 1989

I actually agree with you for the most part and my own aesthetic preferences tend towards l'art pour l'art (I think I've made that fairly obvious over the years), in no small part because I am well aware of the ravages of so-called 'socialist realism'. But 'tends' implies some amount of tension, so to speak, which I think raises a set of difficult questions that deserve our attention, starting with one you've yet to answer: what does it mean to paint a value judgement about art as a merely 'subjective' preference? I don't believe works of art exist to 'deal with the problems of struggling people' at all, but I do question why you would leave the type of art that does to others because it doesn't suit your 'tastes'? Is aesthetic taste an unquestionable datum, something that ought to remain unexamined, ohne Warum or 'just because'?

Not sure what the problem is with braggadocio anyway tbh. Anyway, lyrics? In one ear and out the other.

It's uncivilized.

I want to listen to heavy metal music that is only about parking meters

true abstraction is when you just pay no attention to the words

i don't think that goes far enough, i like to self-administer ECT until my brain stops falling into recognising the stale old tropes of tonal music, rhythm, and what i'm supposed to be doing

Tbf an aural Voynich manuscript of hip-hop would be pretty awesome.

plenty of genres and subgenres started out of not hearing the things you want in music that's around.

Thought of OP when I read an instrument review today....

I learned a LOT being a first time music maker/instrument user/midi etc I have NEVER done anything with music up until this year. Turned 30 and said "I'm TIRED of listening to these trash A** BEATS!!!" so I bought a Komplete Kontrol M32 Keyboard, a DeepMind 6 and an MPC Touch. Haven't used the DM6 yet but OMG I am already a legend in my mind with this MPC and the KK M32.

Complaining about rappers rapping about rapping is like complaining about rockers singing about rocking.

Not only does the latter seem valid to me but rockers themselves have done this much less since the 80s. I think it would seem weird if Thom Yorke or Win Butler sang something like "Rock You Like a Hurricane".

Also rappers rapping about rapping sounds p “l’art pour l’art” to me and not some sinister mandated social realism

Karma police
arrest this man
he cannot rock like us

plenty of genres and subgenres started out of not hearing the things you want in music that's around.

Not quite the same thing, but I'm reminded of this Walter Benjamin quip:

Of all the ways of acquiring books, writing them oneself is regarded as the most praiseworthy method. Writers are really people who write books not because they are poor, but because they are dissatisfied with the books which they could buy but do not like.

Also rappers rapping about rapping sounds p “l’art pour l’art” to me and not some sinister mandated social realism

Insofar as autotelism is widely regarded as one of the pillars of art for art's sake, mos def.

xxxp Rapping about rap really got overdone as a reaction to more social realist rap

I'm a creep
I'm a virtuoso
I rock you from ear to ear
But I don't belong here

god i wish Radiohead just did Scorpions covers

Thought I was in the what's the most melodramatic pop song?' thread for a second.

The Bends is mostly Scorpions covers iirc

I can feel death, can see its beady eyes

Bona fide bragging.

This thread is like going into the spam cafe and asking for something that doesn’t have spam in it

Tbf to OP hip-hop's signature sound was built on decontextualization and recontextualization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE2xRCG2ih0

there's been plenty offered up that fits the bill, op hasn't even dismissed all of it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PsnxDQvQpw

can i get some dance music that isn't danceable?

oh yeah i can, i see there are hundreds of ILM threads about exactly that

strange that asking for rap that doesn't rap is somehow more controversial than asking for dance that doesn't dance or rock that doesn't rock

rockers rocking about rocking (post 50s) is the most insufferable "mode" of rock, it's always bad, critically rehabilitated hard rock included

rappers rapping about rapping probably includes a lot of the best and worst rap though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dytxv6XPa3E

I will admit there are times I want to listen to, say, Slayer, or Sabbath, but I don't feel like hearing the stupid (proto or no) metal-trope lyrics. There are other times I do.

The suggestion that I listen to hip-hop in a language I don’t understand does seem like an honest attempt to answer my request in the OP, so thanks. But the problem here is that one of my biggest hobbies is language-learning, so I probably would not be oblivious to the lyrics for long.

troll

fuck this troll, especially today

― here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:58 AM (four hours ago)

otm, fuck off

i could try to listen to something in a language i don't know, but i'm such a genius that i would inevitably learn the language and my listening pleasure would decrease significantly

fuuuuuck yoooooouuuuu

google "news in the USA this year" and just fuck off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuTQ0JO0Ri4

Sund4r and Lurks get it. I find it just as tiresome when rockers sing about wanting to rock. I also don't like poets who write poems that constantly mention The Poem or poetry. I would prefer that the medium (whether a rock song, a poem, or a hip-hop track) be used to communicate something that is separate from the medium.

google "news in the USA this year" and just fuck off

― Karl Malone, Sunday, May 31, 2020 6:11 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

why would a non american wanna do this?

google "opinions from the USA" and you'll know

in order to obtain 1/100000000000th of a clue

I am well aware of American news at the moment, thanks. But why should it be relevant to the music I want to listen to for entertainment? How many Americans follow news in other countries and form their aesthetic preferences based on that?

do you regularly google say "news in nigeria this year" news in "costa rica this year"?
xp

this is america, we catch up with our multicultural friends' reports of happenings in their home lands over brunch

great thread

fucking ignorant assholes

The wife's suggestion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKOU_Z6Y8yQ

Anyway, the perfect answer was released in 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryDOy3AosBw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAqZgv_TEGI

do you regularly google say "news in nigeria this year" news in "costa rica this year"?
xp

― oscar bravo, Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

I regularly read up on the happenings in Hungary and Brazil, actually.

I only like art that is totally free of the strictures of form, devoid of any referent in the so called real world and unconnected to the history of popular music leading up to it. You know, shoegaze

can i get some dance music that isn't danceable?

oh yeah i can, i see there are hundreds of ILM threads about exactly that

strange that asking for rap that doesn't rap is somehow more controversial than asking for dance that doesn't dance or rock that doesn't rock

this seems otm tbh

he got lots of good answers within two posts!

Is this the new rockism vs poptimism?

should have spent their time listening to billy woods rather than posting itt

can you all stop fucking posting to this thread