Recommendations for hip-hop without braggadocio (or these other tropes)?

The suggestion that I listen to hip-hop in a language I don’t understand does seem like an honest attempt to answer my request in the OP, so thanks. But the problem here is that one of my biggest hobbies is language-learning, so I probably would not be oblivious to the lyrics for long.

troll

fuck this troll, especially today

― here 1st (roxymuzak), Sunday, May 31, 2020 7:58 AM (four hours ago)

otm, fuck off

i could try to listen to something in a language i don't know, but i'm such a genius that i would inevitably learn the language and my listening pleasure would decrease significantly

fuuuuuck yoooooouuuuu

google "news in the USA this year" and just fuck off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuTQ0JO0Ri4

Sund4r and Lurks get it. I find it just as tiresome when rockers sing about wanting to rock. I also don't like poets who write poems that constantly mention The Poem or poetry. I would prefer that the medium (whether a rock song, a poem, or a hip-hop track) be used to communicate something that is separate from the medium.

google "news in the USA this year" and just fuck off

― Karl Malone, Sunday, May 31, 2020 6:11 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

why would a non american wanna do this?

google "opinions from the USA" and you'll know

in order to obtain 1/100000000000th of a clue

I am well aware of American news at the moment, thanks. But why should it be relevant to the music I want to listen to for entertainment? How many Americans follow news in other countries and form their aesthetic preferences based on that?

do you regularly google say "news in nigeria this year" news in "costa rica this year"?
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this is america, we catch up with our multicultural friends' reports of happenings in their home lands over brunch

great thread

fucking ignorant assholes

The wife's suggestion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKOU_Z6Y8yQ

Anyway, the perfect answer was released in 1995:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryDOy3AosBw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAqZgv_TEGI

do you regularly google say "news in nigeria this year" news in "costa rica this year"?
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― oscar bravo, Sunday, May 31, 2020 1:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

I regularly read up on the happenings in Hungary and Brazil, actually.

I only like art that is totally free of the strictures of form, devoid of any referent in the so called real world and unconnected to the history of popular music leading up to it. You know, shoegaze

can i get some dance music that isn't danceable?

oh yeah i can, i see there are hundreds of ILM threads about exactly that

strange that asking for rap that doesn't rap is somehow more controversial than asking for dance that doesn't dance or rock that doesn't rock

this seems otm tbh

he got lots of good answers within two posts!

Is this the new rockism vs poptimism?

should have spent their time listening to billy woods rather than posting itt

can you all stop fucking posting to this thread

If he said rap without rhythm then we would have unmasked Geir by now

Some light reading: Hip Hop taken to new levels.

https://media.giphy.com/media/uRxRLxPbtKf28/giphy.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x34icYC8zA0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb3lnUx0xO0

it's more like starting a thread asking for IDM and dismissing any conceivable suggestion as too danceable

https://media.giphy.com/media/bGvKubXdkErks/giphy.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccf1-UgdbbM

great time to start a thread asking for music that erases the contributions of the people who invented it, at the very same moment that an entire country is tearing itself apart trying to defend the very same people from being erased by white supremacists

i think less of anyone on this thread who engaged with this asshole in a serious manner

can i get some dance music that isn't danceable?

drexciya

j/k drexciya are funky as hell but notice how i could answer this question without removing any aspect of the black american voice from the genre of dance music

(you can't really do that effectively with melomane's question)

A+ trolling by Melanin, I mean Melomane.

Karl, I love you but context does shift as it crosses borders, misappropriation and misunderstanding are the norm.

I don’t think it’s possible to thoroughly grasp ‘race’ the way an American does if you’re not American itself.

*yourself, goddamnit.

Context!!

yes brad but you didn't really answer correctly because as you note drexciya are actually danceable

whether drexciya is dj-mixable is another issue entirely ...

how about most undanceable dance music is danceable

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idk the issue isn't really dance music

i'm pretty sure melomane is trolling so this conversation will probably go nowhere good but ...

i'm surprised someone asking for music without references to sex drugs violence misbehavior and misogyny is equated to anti-blackness

surely we have better definitions for blackness in 2020
than "acting like a rapper"

if he asked for gospel without references to god would
ppl freak out about anti-blackness? gospel is more popular with black audiences than rap is iirc and yet i sense ppl would answer that qn w/o getting upset

I thought he asked for rap where the rapper doesn’t talk about themselves or how the streets are dangerous or something.. I guess I should read the op again (not!)

i'm surprised someone asking for music without references to sex drugs violence misbehavior and misogyny is equated to anti-blackness

surely we have better definitions for blackness in 2020
than "acting like a rapper"

― the late great, Sunday, 31 May 2020 17:44 (ten seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

wanting rap without hedonism or bragging is probably fine (if questionable), but melomane specified further that they didn't want references to rapping itself, or any sort of struggle - is it so easy to approach rap without any reference to its use as a rallying-point for social justice issues?

if this thread had just been called 'recommend abstract hip-hop' it would just have gone so much better, is all

Again, the accusations that I am trolling are inappropriate. I have participated on this board completely authentically for some time now. Instead of attacking me and calling me a troll, can't anyone be happy that I am trying to find hip-hop that connects with me, instead of writing the genre off entirely as so many people (even on this board) have done?

idk but a fair qn and as ppl note melomane's timing and name are awful suspicious ... so ... brimstead otm
i think

Well, you’ve certainly hit a nerve.

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