Recommendations for hip-hop without braggadocio (or these other tropes)?

It puzzles me how ✖ and the other poster above find it weird that I would want to learn the language of world music I listen to. The global popularity of Irish traditional music in the 1990s led to significantly higher sales of Irish textbooks and more people in summer courses, because some people wanted to understand the songs they were hearing. I hear the same happened to some degree with Bulgarian after 4AD and Nonesuch released the Le Mystère des voix bulgares recordings and Bulgarian dance was taught across Europe and North America. No, I don’t think that I am any kind of "genius" by doing this, I'm just one of those people who enjoys the process of learning a language.

well if you're too modest to say it i will, you sir, are bordering on genius level in your appreciation of the arts, i doff my hat to you, sir, you are not just one of those people, you are one of the best people, a true friend of the arts

I get that my responses seem "longwinded" to some others here. For my part, I am disappointed that most posts on ILM consist of only a single line, when on some other music fora people write paragraph-long posts at least. Strangely, this has apparently always been the culture on this board, and isn't just a recent development due to so many people writing on their phones now instead of a proper keyboard.

So, with the overwhelming sentiment that I am unwelcome here for whatever reason, I guess I should move on and limit myself to those other fora. Thanks nevertheless to those who gave honest recommendations to my question – some of them do seem promising. Thanks also to those people who sent me private messages to apologize for the behavior of other posters in this thread. Sorry that I can't individually respond to thank you – there is no Reply button in the emails that ilxor.com sends out, and it is not clear to me how I can go look up a person’s profile based on their user name and send a PM to them there.

farewell forever and adieu, newcomer never to return! you will be fondly missed for the duration of your absence, long as it is sure to be not only in the annals of board events but all the more so in our hearts

[mic drop]

the lurkers support me in PMs!

(as a lurker, I do not support Melomane in PMs.)

don't let the door hit you.

or do. may knock some sense into you.

although your skull does appear to be especially dense, so it probably won't make any difference. and violence is never the answer.

so ya, anyway: kindly fuck off.

Melomane, I've sort of been wanting to defend you because I don't think there was anything wrong with your original request and people here can be harsh about certain viewpoints, so please take this as well-intentioned. I don't think you need to leave the board but my impression is that what is frustrating people might that you seem more concerned on this thread with repeatedly defending your right to ask the question than with engaging with the content of the abundant recommendations or reflecting on what your criteria actually are and where they come from - since they don't seem as simple as just "hip-hop without braggadocio"; my spouse listens to even less hip-hop than I do and we were able to easily brainstorm multiple examples of hip-hop songs that are not about braggadocio, weed, or life on the streets, many of which are on the thread. I don't think it shows very close listening at all to write off the entirety of To Pimp a Butterfly (which wasn't the album that won the Pulitzer btw, although maybe it should have been) as just being about these topics, for example. I don't even think "Walk This Way" is about those things, or De La Soul's "Eye Know", or Eminem's "Stan" - there are lots of well-known examples throughout the history of hip-hop. I don't think people here, many of whom are professional writers, would have any problem with paragraph-length posts if they showed more critical engagement with the material or self-reflection regarding your reactions to it.

Anyway, at least I know that Albiach poem now.

Sorry Sund4r, you can't possibly read this...

The global popularity of Irish traditional music in the 1990s led to significantly higher sales of Irish textbooks and more people in summer courses, because some people wanted to understand the songs they were hearing.

... and think this person is serious?

Notwithtstanding the fact that traditional Irish music sung in Irish was not globally popular in the 1990s.

Come on man, Fairytale of New York was massive

Ha, I wasn't into that stuff in the 90s so I wasn't going to judge that. Did Enya and Clannad sing in Gaelic on their popular albums?xp

Michael Flatley danced in Irish in the 1990s.

I learn the language because I need to understand the song vs I like slowdive because I can't hear what they are singing ? bobbins.

the impact is the exact same whether they're serious or not

Flatley would conduct his Riverdancing in a very showy vulgar manner that the threadstarter would not approve of at all.

bobbins. in the asda

xp the term is bragh-a-do-si-do

xp to Sund4r: people offered up some examples of hip-hop lacking in braggadocio very early on but they rejected them all because they wanted artists who had never used any 'tropes' in their entire career which is a blatantly absurd request

more recently, they typed "I hear the same happened to some degree with Bulgarian after 4AD and Nonesuch released the Le Mystère des voix bulgares recordings and Bulgarian dance was taught across Europe and North America," and mused on how if only ILM posts were fuller discursive paragraphs rather than short zingers; not sure how much more obvious they could make it that they're trying to wind up longtime posters. terrible thread.

Sorry I got distracted by the quote about people all over the world learning Irish but, you're right, that's even more blatantly a wind up.

Yeah, even Kate Bush probably didn't learn Bulgarian.

I was thinking more of the dance part.

Какво по дяволите каза за мен, ти малка кучко? Трябва да знаеш, че съм завършил като най-добрия във випуска ми сред морските тюлени, участвал съм в множество тайни нападения на Ал-Кайда и имам над 300 потвърдени убийства. Обучен съм в горилско военно дело и съм най-добрият снайперист във въоръжените сили на САЩ. За мен не си нищо повече от просто поредната цел . Ще те очистя с точност, каквато никога преди не е била виждана на повърхността на планетата, не забравяй шибаните ми думи. Мислиш, че ще ти се размине с това да ме псуваш през интернет? Помисли отново, шибаняко. Докато говорим се свързвам с тайната ми мрежа от шпиони на територията на САЩ и IP адресът ти се проследява в същия момент, така че по-добре се подготви за бурята, скапаняк. Бурята, която ще унищожи жалкото нещо, което наричаш свой живот. Мъртъв си, хлапе. Мога да бъде навсякъде по всяко време, мога да те убия по над седемстотин различни начина и то само с голите ми ръце. Не само че съм широко обучен в невъоръжена борба, но имам достъп до целия арсенал на морската пехота на САЩ и ще го използвам в пълна степен да изтрия нещастния ти задник от лицето на континента, малко лайнарче такова. Ако можеше да знаеш какво безбожно възмездие малкият ти "остроумен" коментар ще ти донесе, може би щеше да държиш шибания си език зад зъбите. Но не го задържа, проговори, и сега ще си плащаш цената, проклет идиот. Ще изсера целия си бяс върху теб и ще се удавиш в него. Мъртъв си, хлапак.

Haha

:D

Meolmane, choose wisely. After listening to a Hendricks, Lambert & Ross record I spent several years mastering this strange new language. But people only laugh when I use it in public.

My family have been communicating exclusively in Hopelandish since 2001.

A-choo-woo-woooooo

^^ in mind it's always been 'eh-tu-wie-ieeeeeuuuuueeeee' but yours works just as well :)

True sign of a universal language.

Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped

I think it's incredibly tacky (to be generous) to ask this question in this manner, especially at this time.

In fact, if I wasn't being generous I would say it's obvious racist trolling* and the number of posters who are all "wait a minute, there's a serious discussion here we should entertain" is sickening.

* remember, trolling doesn't need to be insincere; it just needs to evoke a reaction

the number of posters who are all "wait a minute, there's a serious discussion here we should entertain" is sickening

rt

DJP otm and also

I was so sure this was an ancient revive

― lukas, Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:37 PM (two days ago)

tbf most of us have been 'engaging' while also being extremely critical of the suspicious-at-best OP and basically asking them to rethink their ideas (which they haven't done)

There is a stark difference between "your thesis is flawed and this is why" and "well hey now, let's not jump down this person's throat; this request is completely understandable and we should be nice"

Sorry to disappoint, DJP. I do hope you're talking cultural differences into account, though – like I keep saying, not all of us are American or even from English-speaking countries, and that has a significant bearing on how we interpret OP's question, no matter how familiar we may be with US culture. I'm fairly certain that such a 'challenge' would have generated no controversy whatsoever on a French-language message board, for instance.

plenty of reasons why it was obvious from the start that this was a troll thread, but don't think "this alleged new poster clearly has detailed knowledge of the history of ilxor.com" has been mentioned yet.

Regardless, roxymuzak's point about 'reading a room' totally stands.

xp

xp Detailed, really? If I had such a ludicrous query on my mind and took an afternoon familiarizing myself with various general music forums, this is where I'd go. I mean that's kind of why I like this place.

I mean stuff like this

I personally haven't assumed that other posters here are American. After all, didn't ILM largely start as a community for fans of a Scottish twee-pop band?

― Melomane, Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:15 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

ha, missed that. Did this guy ever say where he is supposedly from?

Braggadocia

Melomane isn't a new poster, though. Just do a name search.

He joined in 2018 and even then posted that ILM formed from Belle and Sebastian fans

So there goes the "he didn't know better" defense

bad questions deserve bad answers so I'm gonna say TobyMac

HHahahaha