There is a stark difference between "your thesis is flawed and this is why" and "well hey now, let's not jump down this person's throat; this request is completely understandable and we should be nice"
― (so serious) (DJP), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link
Sorry to disappoint, DJP. I do hope you're talking cultural differences into account, though – like I keep saying, not all of us are American or even from English-speaking countries, and that has a significant bearing on how we interpret OP's question, no matter how familiar we may be with US culture. I'm fairly certain that such a 'challenge' would have generated no controversy whatsoever on a French-language message board, for instance.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
plenty of reasons why it was obvious from the start that this was a troll thread, but don't think "this alleged new poster clearly has detailed knowledge of the history of ilxor.com" has been mentioned yet.
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
Regardless, roxymuzak's point about 'reading a room' totally stands.
xp
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link
xp Detailed, really? If I had such a ludicrous query on my mind and took an afternoon familiarizing myself with various general music forums, this is where I'd go. I mean that's kind of why I like this place.
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link
I mean stuff like this
I personally haven't assumed that other posters here are American. After all, didn't ILM largely start as a community for fans of a Scottish twee-pop band?― Melomane, Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:15 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Melomane, Sunday, May 31, 2020 2:15 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
ha, missed that. Did this guy ever say where he is supposedly from?
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
Braggadocia
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link
Melomane isn't a new poster, though. Just do a name search.
― jmm, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
He joined in 2018 and even then posted that ILM formed from Belle and Sebastian fans
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link
So there goes the "he didn't know better" defense
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
bad questions deserve bad answers so I'm gonna say TobyMac
― mh, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
HHahahaha
Luv is a verb!
i've been here occasionally since mid 00s but somehow only found out the b&s thing this year. so much makes sense now in retrospect
― no (Left), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:15 (three years ago) link
Same lol.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
The shame will always be with us :(
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
I just checked the wikipedia page to see if the B&S thing is mentioned; it's not but I did see this lmao: "The 200,000th thread occurred on February 1st, 2020 to very little fanfare and much disappointment"
― dip to dup (rob), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
ilx: very little fanfare, much disappointment
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:20 (three years ago) link
lol otm
― dip to dup (rob), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
Get me away from here, I'm drowning in braggadocio.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
Braggadocio in the snow, where will you goTo find something you could troll?Cause the word out on the street is you are FP'ing
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
Beautiful, brings a twear to my eye.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
was ilx actually a belle and sebastian fan forum first? that would be awesome
― treeship., Monday, 1 June 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link
no idea about this connection to B&S. Google brought me to a book about fan cultures.
https://imgur.com/a/MVojVy5.jpg
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
I Love Tigermilk
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
i try again https://i.imgur.com/lfOWm5J.jpg
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link
Melomane, music fan on the end pewYou'd hip hop, but the tropes just won't let youLe FP de la Braggadocio
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:34 (three years ago) link
(quiet)
brutal
― jmm, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
I prefer "sleepy"
― thomasintrouble, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
ILM = Joe Biden?
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
When people on ilx get backed into a corner via backlash they weren't expecting they either lose their cool and end up digging a deeper hole or they try too hard to appear thoughtful and save face with overwritten clarifications and... end up digging a deeper hole.
― Evan, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
well i guess we found a sinister user amirite?
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
It's funny because I was on S*n*st*r (not embarrassed by this fact, just mortified by the content of my posts on there / the person I was aged 19) and then only joined ILX around um 2014 I think? And yeah, there were a couple of people on there like that.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
it's good that ILE branched out to loving more than just things from the mid-2000s
― Number None, Monday, 1 June 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link
Gotta stay with the times.
― jmm, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
I thought the first ILM posters came from a Usenet group, and the Sinister folks arrived a year or so later.
― jaymc, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link
There was also Freaky Trigger, obviously, since Tom E. started ILM. But I'm sure about the relationship between FT and alt.music.alternative.
― jaymc, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link
some say the first settlers arrived from Gopher
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
What's the history behind this board?
"I Love Music" created as a discussion board for online pop fanzine Freaky Trigger."I Love Everything" created when lots of personal/non-music content was coming up on "I Love Music".
"ilxor.com" created when the server hosting those two boards began to get erratic and we decided we needed our own one.
― Tom (Groke), Friday, February 14, 2003 3:12 AM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
It also goes back all the way to alt.music.alternative, too.― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, February 14, 2003 6:10 AM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
That's pre-history of a certain group of you, no? Plenty of us have been here since the start of ILX and having read Freaky Trigger for a while, without ever having had anything to do with a.m.a
― N. (nickdastoor), Friday, February 14, 2003 7:04 AM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yeah, to be fair if we're including a.m.a. in the history we should include S!n!ster too― Tom (Groke), Friday, February 14, 2003 7:09 AM (seventeen years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― jaymc, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link
ah neat. And nary a mention of Belle nor Sebastian
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link
That part of the borad's history has been hushed up by Big ILX.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link
it's mentioned in that final Tom E post...?
― dip to dup (rob), Monday, 1 June 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
my bad, "S*n*st*r" mentioned. I thought Camaraderie above was doing some odd Google-proofing. I guess it had some stylized title.
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:25 (three years ago) link
yeah tbf I don't actually know anything about it! way before my time here
― dip to dup (rob), Monday, 1 June 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
lol I've only just realized that Sinister was a B&S board. Shows how much I know about them.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
the answer to op has been staring us in the face this entire time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ut7GhxcgSY
― maffew12, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link
was poptimism a twee conspiracy
― no (Left), Monday, 1 June 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
Wasn't there a whole B&S subboard at some point in the early years?
― peace, man, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
It's all coming together now.
― pomenitul, Monday, 1 June 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link