lol
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
the closest protests to me that I know of were the west side highway ones, but those were further south than I am now (plus I'm too zonked out on ativan right now to do anything but sleep)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:50 (three years ago) link
Wish I were zonked out on Ativan. Sleep well.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:52 (three years ago) link
dying @ assigned cop at birth
― contorted filbert (harbl), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:53 (three years ago) link
(you really don't, it's prescribed but I almost never take it because all it really does is nuke a day out of existence, when arguably the "right" thing to do would be to not nuke a day out of existence here)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:54 (three years ago) link
xp like two-thirds of my friends have made the assigned cop at birth joke
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:55 (three years ago) link
(I had an Ativan 0.5mg prn Rx for a while, which barely did anything but it did enough.)
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 02:56 (three years ago) link
probably not the best hijack of this thread though
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 03:06 (three years ago) link
White Cops On Ativan
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 03:19 (three years ago) link
George Floyd's family is leading a peaceful rally & march tomorrow afternoon in Houston.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 03:26 (three years ago) link
WhatTheFuck
Even more proof that the cops are not helping the situation. I got this video from someone on Twitter pic.twitter.com/5SNgnnzNfx— Cassie (@Cass_is_boring) June 2, 2020
― The little engine that choogled (hardcore dilettante), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:03 (three years ago) link
i don't understand what's happening in that video
― Nhex, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:18 (three years ago) link
the people taking it think they are seeing cops unloading bricks and they don't know why
― j., Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:19 (three years ago) link
The people shooting the video can be heard saying that they think the bricks are for undercover cops, who can go among the protesters and throw them, to justify arrests. But based on that video alone it's impossible to say what the bricks are for, or even if the two guys are cops. They have some kind of symbols in their shirt shoulders that might indicate police, but the video is shot from too far to see any details.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 05:34 (three years ago) link
Sounds like philly was kinda bad last night
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:00 (three years ago) link
Reports of a basement fire and lighter fluid found at an apartment building across the street from me last night. Seemingly the entire national guard arrived with the fire truck.
― geoffreyess, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
oops meant to put that in the Minnesota thread
― geoffreyess, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:55 (three years ago) link
One of my coworkers that lives not too far from Wrigley Field shared an email from someone who lives in her building who watched a car full of guys idle in their alley before stashing two full cans of gasoline in the dumpster behind their building. Luckily they found the gas and were able to dispose of them, but doesn't sound like anyone caught the guys.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 13:57 (three years ago) link
gotta say there is a pretty stark difference between Twitter, which is full of videos of the police clearly and blatantly instigating shit against peaceful protestors, and Facebook, which is mostly people whining about ANTIFA and posting long screeds about how "looting won't fix anything"
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link
Riots are by nature confusing and everyone is seizing upon them in order to push their own narrative. No one knows who is "behind" the destruction because multiple groups are.
Here is what is known: there is an unacceptable degree of violence perpetrated by the police in the United States, disproportionately against black people. Any push for reform is rejected forecfully by the cops, who become more antisocial and reactionary. Also, this past week, the cops have been brutalizing peaceful protesters on numerous occasions. And employees of the state, acting in a professional capacity, can be held accountable; anonymous "looters" can't.
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:07 (three years ago) link
I'll bet there are "antifa" assholes setting fires. But, whatever, it's not the root of the problem.
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link
^ this
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link
(xpost to treeship)
― SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link
Yup, keyed-up crackers burning and looting small neighborhood businesses, already under unprecedented strain due to a pandemic, where many low-income people and POC work and buy groceries definitely not a problem
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:29 (three years ago) link
^^^
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
It is *a* problem but is it “antifa” primarily looting? It’s not clear you can pin the looting on any one group but you can pin state violence on the state
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:40 (three years ago) link
IDGAF about looting I’m more concerned about organized arson attempts night after night in residential neighborhoods (the ‘burning’ in Paul’s post)Of course it’s not fuckin Antifa
― valet doberman (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link
anybody can label themselves Antifa, even King Dipshit knows that
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link
― treeship., Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:40 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
That's true, and I definitely don't mean to imply that antifa are the ones causing all (or even most?) of the destruction. I was just pointing out that it's definitely not helping, and when all of these assholes, whether they're magas or anarchists or just opportunists from out of town, eventually leave, there is going to need to be some serious rebuilding of communities that were already hovering over the precipice of economic collapse long before anyone outside of obsessive DJ Screw fans (hi) had ever heard of Big Floyd. I guess what I mean is I liked it better when it looked for a minute like they might actually try to occupy the White House instead of doing smash and grabs on local businesses
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:52 (three years ago) link
I feel the same, PP, but the thing that has been established is there is no monolithic "they." Most of the looters in my city are just local kids taking advantage of the situation and have no political agenda. A lot of the violence instigators are out-of-towners or the cops themselves. It's a weird fucked up complicated situation.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link
London went through something a bit like this in 2011 (cops execute black man -> riots, burning etc) and iirc the smart analysis was that much of the looting and burning was heinous and terrible because it was indiscriminate, but that we as a nation definitely had it coming. wonder if that'll be the long-term view here
― imago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
I think it's too much to credit us with the capability of forming long-term views about anything.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
We've had ample opportunities to learn this lesson already.
― american primitive stylophone (zchyrs), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:01 (three years ago) link
My friend who was arrested was shoved to the ground, which ripped her mask. She and her fellow protesters were told they could get new ones as they were being arrested. Then as they did, upon being loaded into the van, were told gruffly by the officer "eh, you weren't distancing anyway", before he slammed the door on them.
Later on, a less dick-ish officer gave them some.
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link
I do gaf about the looting, writ large, because at least locally the looting has been a locus of violence before the cops even arrive. That is, of the two shootings in the last day or so near me, cops responded *to* the shots fired. They were not shots fired in response to cops. I've also seen reports/threats of the same looters going to houses, assaulting people on the street, etc. There is some small element of the protests turning to looting, but there is also by every indication organized caravan looting that is causing another, parallel layer of chaos. But I would not be shocked if the police/government/whomever are not making any distinction between the groups. .
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
complicating the comparison to London '11 is the fact that while kettling and other crudely suppressive police tactics were used around that time, you didn't have a militarised police really actively escalating things into a near-battleground situation
― imago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:04 (three years ago) link
or at least, not to remotely this extent
Wait, why are we taking about Antifa looting? Does anyone have even a shred of evidence for this? It sounds like right wing disinfo creep. Vandalizing/damaging property, antagonizing/confronting cops, yes. Not sure what “looting” has to do w Antifa and really disappointed to see this notion getting parroted here.
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:07 (three years ago) link
It's this. Treeship putting Antifa in quotes for a discussion.
I'll bet there are "antifa" assholes setting fires. But, whatever, it's not the root of the problem.― treeship., Tuesday, 2 June 2020 bookmarkflaglink
― treeship., Tuesday, 2 June 2020 bookmarkflaglink
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link
btw before you all have me down as a square and an enemy btw i would like to pledge my allegiance to smartly-targeted acts of vandalism both symbolic and functional
― imago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
btw
Btw, imago pushing the same line as Maitlis re. UK police aren't as bad as the US just last night (1 min in), and this was a good response.
Part 2: #BlackLivesMatter #Newsnight pic.twitter.com/IVSFR23JhG— William Kedjanyi (@KeejayOV2) June 1, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
obviously the treatment of people esp minorities in custody in the uk is a fucking abomination, i meant the tactics during protests etc
― imago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link
Lol sure
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link
while kettling and other crudely suppressive police tactics were used around that time, you didn't have a militarised police really actively escalating things into a near-battleground situation
― imago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 bookmarkflaglink
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
literally nothing i said remotely excused (or even referred to) the treatment of suspects in custody which has always been dreadful. except the bit where i talked of the cops executing mark duggan
anyway, don't become the story etc, just trying to help us all work out which sorts of violent action are fair game rn
― imago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link
I can tell you from ground zero here in Minneapolis is NOT FUCKING ANTIFA, we have neighborhood WhatsApp coordinated watch with over 50 people. The things we are seeing is right wing, white power actors.
For example, last night a man in a large red pickup truck got out and walked around Moto Mart, beard, tats, body armor, large weapon, Call of Duty cosplay.
Hour later fire set behind Moto Mart
Two white people, M/F, Indiana plates parked in alley. Asked where they were from, gave fake address (i.e. could not exist for due to local streets, numbering)
This is happening all over the city.
So Treeship don't "bet" on things you think you know please and further disseminate bad information.
Ask people who are here.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
Trump & the right say it's Antifa therefore "Antifa is doing the looting" is all over the news right now
― frogbs, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link