Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

i sent in my absentee ballot request form for NY. let's hope it gets out in time

would really appreciate if biden -- well, that sentence could be finished a lot of ways but the one I am thinking of just now is would stop emailing me with "Can I give you a call?"

I went to 538 to get some over-optimistic bullshit to cheer me up a bit, but it was too over-optimistic and such unbelievable bullshit that it didn't cheer me up at all.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/biden-doesnt-really-have-a-young-voters-problem/

Yet for all the concern, Biden isn’t actually doing that much worse among younger voters than Hillary Clinton did in the 2016 election.

a selection of graf openers in that story. premium TPM vintage quality here:

Yet for all the concern,

Still,

Then again,

Of course,

I teach students to avoid those transistions.

On the other hand...

I find it hilarious that anyone knew there were primaries yesterday

this is not an election yet

even so

nevertheless

He pissed off the cops.

While under fire from the left, police increasingly became more Republican, said Jim Pasco, executive director of the Fraternal Order of Police and former in-house lobbyist for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, who worked closely with Biden on the crime bill and other legislation.

“There are two evolutions in two directions. On law-and-order issues, Biden was right of center: the ‘94 crime bill, the Brady law and enhanced penalties. But as time has gone by, his positions have moderated, moderated, moderated to where we are today, where he would not be considered a law-and-order guy in the sense that law enforcement sees it,” Pasco said.

“Also, as time has gone by, the law enforcement community — especially the rank and file — has become far more conservative. Today, the FOP and other labor groups are far less open to addressing gun control issues, things that traditionally they supported and that Biden worked very closely and successfully with them on.”

For instance, Pasco said, law enforcement is less likely to be engaged in supporting gun control, which was once more popular with police. An assault-weapons ban was included in the ’94 crime bill along with other legislation that gave the federal government more power to investigate a “pattern or practice” of local law enforcement abuses.

v generous to call cops "conservative"

aim for the leg, my ass (I will not aim for the leg)

sweep the leg

still doing "bad cops"

Illustrative of the lessons he and people like him don't learn - there's nothing he could do to appease the pigs, why even try?

Between Harris's speech today and a lot of visibility on TV the past week, I'd be very surprised if she isn't offered VP. I think there's a chance she already has been, although maybe it's still too soon.

thought her rebuttal to Rand Paul was impressive

Just watched it. It was--would have loved a reaction shot or two of Paul.

Rand Paul tried to lecture Black lawmakers on the definition of lynching. Kamala Harris delivered her response. I was going to take a snippet from the 7 minutes to highlight but I couldn’t. The entire speech is powerful and one that’ll go down in history. pic.twitter.com/qxmCi85jL6

— José (@josecanyousee) June 4, 2020

maybe this was for the general politics thread

Harris presumably wouldn’t be on Biden’s bussing task force.

Harris would be perfect for him.

She'd eat Pence alive.

She'd eat Pence alive.

I dunno. Television debates often turn on style points.

Harris is much smarter than Pence, but Pence was and is a spawn of the media and he projects a 'cool' presence - to use McLuhan's term. This is a by-product of his being mostly an empty suit, but he knows his lines and can deliver them pretty well. He's spent thousands of hours speaking into microphones and saying nothing, but saying it in rounded thoughtful tones. For a television debate that's good enough.

Harris's speaking style is pretty average, even if her content is far better. She hasn't taken the time to polish her delivery, probably because she sees that as secondary to the parts of her job she sees as most important and enjoys most. Good oratory is very artful and getting good at it requires more practice than she has given to it.

She was a prosecutor; she'll do fine.

xp don't agree with that at all

Pence has a cool creepy empty composure, but she is more persuasive to me

plus if you expose Pence to bright light Gremlins come out

Harris is not Tim Kaine. Whatever her background -- and I agree with many ILE'ers -- she would destroy him in debate without becoming a yapping little thing like Kaine.

I should add that traditionally 'winning' a VP debate has pretty low payoff. Mainly her job would be to convince viewers she would make a good president, if needed. Because Biden is very old for the job and this will matter to voters more than does she trounce Pence. imo, she'd be smart to ignore Pence and the moderator(s) and just act like she's addressing a bunch of voters sitting in their living rooms.

She was a prosecutor

...and he's just a simple country Mayonnaise Golem.

more payoff when u think either President may not survive their second term

but in general, yes, Veep debates are low stakes

She'd probably destroy him in a debate but there are few things in American politics that matter less than a VP debate.

"I was really into this revanchist white nationalism thing the GOP had going on until someone who was going to have no actual power pwned it."

No one's arguing otherwise. xpost

debates in general, veep or Presidential, often have negligible effects. which is why Obama's bedshitting in the first one in 2012 only caused temporary panic,but Romney's "47%" gaffe did a lot more to hurt his chances in the end.

Aimless, I couldn't disagree more that "Harris's speaking style is pretty average, even if her content is far better. She hasn't taken the time to polish her delivery"

I would hazard that you are responding strongly to her message, more than to the nuances of her delivery. But I cannot expect everyone to agree with me on this.

Harris's speaking style is pretty average

Disagree totally--that's what first attracted me to her.

which is why Obama's bedshitting in the first one in 2012 only caused temporary panic

I'd have to check, but I don't know how widespread the panic was; Andrew Sullivan shouldered enough panic for 31 states himself.

xxp yes don't agree because it's horseshit

To be clear, I'm not speaking of Harris's rhetoric, how her speeches are constructed, but her delivery, the pauses, the emphasis, the tone of her voice as she brings her voice to the written words, her body language, her eye movements, her gestures, her facial expressions. Those are all part of oratory. She's OK at this, but I say from what I've seen, she's no master of the dramatics and dynamics of speechifying. She'd have done much better in the primaries if she were.

I like listening to Harris exchange meaningless banter in interviews. With all due respect Aimless, I don't think you need to explain to us what we're responding to. I just like the sound of her voice.

"but her delivery, the pauses, the emphasis, the tone of her voice as she brings her voice to the written words, her body language, her eye movements, her gestures, her facial expressions"

fuck off

the way she swims, the relative measurements of her skull... all wrong..

Arguing over whether a cop is a good speaker like a couple of K-pop fans on Twitter.

another bad opinion

ilx is full of them