woody allen

you seem to think this is hilarious, not surprisingly considering what i've seen of your posts

fuck it just ban me i hate this place

morbs what were you going for with that perrin tweet, can't read it as anything but trying to troll everyone itt

well trolling everyone except for yourself and shakey (not present)

for the record i agree that the farrow family is pretty fucked up but i don't think it's cool to use that as a cudgel in an argument in favor of... woody allen

Caitlin Flanagan has an essay on the Allen book up on the Atlantic's site today. The book really is a salt lick for the country's most loathsome cultural critics, isn't it?

I will miss the great contributions of "Left"

if you look at the DP followups, a memoir by Allen that dug into the work wd be of interest, but phaps this is not such a book. I have been seeing the guy's stuff since I was 5 or 6.

He is not a great filmmaker.

would've made The Fury funnier

Hate to be the one to bump this, as our beloved Morba was the last poster here and he had some spectacularly wrong takes fe: Allen. But I remembered this thread or another one where it was declared we’d never know the truth of everything. I think the documentary evidence is pretty fucking damning and we can all consider this closed now.

What does Moses say in the doco?

Theres nothing new in the documentary series afaict. Quite upsetting viewing of course.

I hope this is finally the end of him but will there be any reckoning at all for those who worked so hard for decades to prop him up? or will it just be quietly forgiven like that polanski petition (which I believe he signed) has been?

Theres nothing new in the documentary series afaict.

were those tapes of Dylan Farrow tapes available before? how anyone could hear those and not lock/beat that fucker up on the spot idk

i found the taped phone convo btwn he and mia re: soon-yi p damning, just his equivications in the face of mia flat out being like you had sex w my teenage daughter

I'm probably gonna get mauled for this, but ...
Woody Allen's a total creep who should have kept his hands off Soon Yi, but I'm still not convinced he sexually abused Dylan. Not saying he didn't, but I just don't know. The timing of the accusation bothers me, and everything I've read about Mia Farrow points to a manipulative mother who often used psychological/physical abuse against her children to serve her own needs. I wish Moses had taken part in the series, because his long essay about his family life is pretty damning, especially when it comes to how Mia allegedly rehearsed/coached/brainwashed her kids. (He also talks about the attic and the train set, which he says wasn't even in that room.)

http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

As for what Dylan said then and now, anyone familiar with some of the more notorious cases of child sex abuse accusations — the McMartin preschool case comes to mine — knows that children can be led to say or believe most anything with proper coaching. Sometimes it becomes part of their memory for the rest of their lives. What did Mia say to Dylan off camera? We'll never know. I'm not calling Dylan a liar; everything she said may be true. But that was one crazy, toxic household, and it's hard to know who to believe.

fuck this

not the best metaphor

why do people still to do this for free, what is the investment here

and why do people think it’s funny to make jokes about / around it

the videos of Dylan and the audio tapes of the calls with Allen (I suspect there are more to come) are new, so it is untrue that there is nothing new in this series. These have never been aired before. I find it very difficult to believe anyone could listen to these and come away with the belief that Farrow is making any of this up or manipulating things. It's very much the other way around. Look if you prefer to believe Farrow is a master manipulator and Allen, who very obviously fucked Soon Yi as a minor while still in High School, is not, then....fine, but I question your judgement.

I hope this is finally the end of him

It's not even the end of Woody Allen movies being available to stream via HBO, so far.

Miss Morbs, but will not miss his stanning for Woody.

Farrow's own fucked-upness has little to do with the case at hand. It looks like she ran a house like a circus.

Interesting..

All you really need to know about the new Woody Allen “documentary” on HBO is it was made by the same folks who gave us @IAmJaneDoeFilm & The Hunting Ground, 2 of the most blatantly dishonest pseudo-docs ever seen https://t.co/AjA0dEWodD

— Elizabeth Nolan Brown (@ENBrown) February 24, 2021

I’m not watching the documentary which I’m sure is as damning as described but...

why do we keep having to wait for these documentaries in order to *really believe* widely available accounts about a man’s behaviour? almost invariably long after their careers have peaked? and it’s never enough- they will still have defenders and enablers, they will continue to make money, they will continue to do violence

that’s some right wing spiked style website is it not. I’m assuming the expression of interest is sarcasm

Tim Montgomerie's website to be accurate.

I don't know much about those two documentaries but I can't find any published criticism of I Am Jane Doe, which is about backpage.com; I'm going to assume the person who posted that is a sex work advocate, which is fine, and I understand the complications of that law and how its been misused and punished honest sex workers, but that doesn't mean that sex trafficking doesn't happen.

she works for a "nonprofit group promoting the values & voices of #libertarian #feminism Yellow heartanti-sexism, anti-statism, pro-markets" yeah, no thanks

love 2 be pro markets

this is a minefield because as soon as the t-word is invoked the cops and borders come in which makes things worse for everyone except the cops and (frequently) the traffickers but that group sounds extremely gross and interested for all the wrong reasons

Well this made me google UnHerd, had previously thought that with that dumb a name it had to be a medium-style platform, turns out nope, it's an ex-torygraph journo doing the same old "push back against herd mentality" scam that Spiked, Quilette, etc. specialize in. You wouldn't think there's such a huge market of ppl who truly believe the likes of Julie Bindel and Giles Fraser are disenfranchised, but alas...

that crowd certainly punches above its weight in securing donations

There are no Woody Allen films in the Morbs ballot I compiled for the upcoming Morbsies film poll.

feels like the Bill Cosby thing was some sort of great awakening with regards to all this, it's crazy in retrospect how people like Woody Allen, R. Kelly, and Michael Jackson were basically allowed to continue their careers undeterred whereas now Louis CK essentially lost everything on a far lesser scandal, as though the greater public just kind of realized overnight that celebrities really do not deserve the benefit of the doubt & that having "too much to lose" apparently isn't much of a deterrent

he got a standing ovation on his return to comedy, he hardly lost everything

so many celebrities are still going strong in spite of etc

multiple US presidents have been called out with little or no effect on their careers

any greater public whose minds have been changed is a relatively small and fickle one

louis ck also kept lying about what happened after his return. & they all got serious criticism at around the same time.

the videos of Dylan and the audio tapes of the calls with Allen (I suspect there are more to come) are new, so it is untrue that there is nothing new in this series.

i mean there's no new information. you could have read dylan's account 20 years ago, or more. if youre in the business of doubting the allegations then seeing the tape shouldn't move the dial too much.

ok "everything" is too strong a word but still. he lost a very lucrative Netflix deal, all his stuff got pulled from the big streaming platforms, his show got cancelled, he can't perform at any of the big clubs anymore and if he does there's a huge backlash. that's a pretty far cry from MJ or Woody continuing to be high-profile celebs that everyone falls over themselves to work with.

btw obviously it wasn't *just* Cosby, tons of work & a lot of writing was done by a lot of great activists but I guess if there was one celebrity where irrefutable evidence of being a terrible sex pest could actually change the way culture at large thinks, that would be the one

he can't perform at any of the big clubs anymore and if he does there's a huge backlash against audience members who complain

for real, dude is selling out shows and making "ain't i a lil stinker" jokes about it to adoring crowds

I'm sure that Jordan's "cancel-culture" hearings will discuss at length the sad fate of Al Franken.

idk what people here think deserved to happen to Louie just saying I remember a year where R. Kelly was literally on video peeing on an underage girl and still managed to get "Ignition" into heavy rotation everywhere, only to completely rehabilitate his image as an eccentric genius/weirdo with "Trapped in the Closet" a couple years later. it does not appear we live in that society anymore. so stuff like this and the new MJ documentary, even if it's not necessarily "anything new" is still significant since the lens we view this through is different and it takes some sort of event to get this back in the headlines. if R. Kelly had not gotten caught doing more abusive shit he'd still be headlining the Pitchfork festival today

looking at his website, CK sells out 2000-3000 seaters still

i agree with frogbs. the culture has changed.

so CK is not on TV anymore but he's still operating within the top 1% of all comedians

this documentary will change the narrative on woody.

before watching this, my position was to stay away from the dylan accusations, which were unprovable, the fact that he seduced the teenage daughter of his longtime partner -- a young person he had helped raise -- was revolting enough. however, the story they put forward about his obsessive and controlling relationship with dylan was convincing and disturbing. i am not a psychoanalyst, but his behavior toward dylan seems to precede and probably helps explain his later affair with her older sister. (please don't post this to the dr. treeship thread).

the moses farrow piece everyone shares is weird too. not to blame moses -- who is a victim too in some ways, if nothing else of having a father who refuses to acknowledge boundaries -- but what kind of person thinks it's ok for their father to marry their sister?