Cool, silby, rock on with your bad self, but the twit thread that Moodles linked to literally said:
Do you or somebody you know think that #AbolishThePolice is unrealistic? It might be because you haven’t taken the time to understand what it means, the reasons for it, and why it actually makes a lot of sense.
Which I take to mean: apparently lots of people need more than three words to grasp the true meaning of those three words. Which means it is no longer a three-word slogan. Which is what I am trying to communicate.
It's cool and shit that you have so much certainty. But you could maybe reflect that there might be people who are a bit wary of signing up for that full unalloyed agenda? Just sayin.
― I was working as a waitress in an oxygen bar (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 June 2020 21:40 (three years ago) link
No matter how much I may personally agree with the sentiment, it's hard to take implementation seriously when a request for further details is met with a 'Just Do It (Nike swoosh)'. Like the news out of Minneapolis rn is a little more fleshed out than 'Yeah, we're abolishing our police force. Just tossing them out. Buh-bye, coppers!'
― Fun-Loving and Furry-Curious! (Old Lunch), Sunday, 7 June 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
Let’s give it a few hours
― Karl Malone, Sunday, 7 June 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
To me the messaging feels like...
-The fridge is obviously not working.-Can we repair the fridge?-We as a household keep sort of trying but nobody seems motivated enough. We need to just throw the fridge out at this point.-Right and get a new one that works?-No.-No? We need a fridge.-Fridges don't work. They're too big, they require too much energy and frankly have too many features and are relied on too heavily.-But aside from those and all of the concerns we're dealing with still how do we manage the primary function of the fridge?-Well we need to do away with fridges as we know them.-Will whatever that means keep food from spoiling?-It’s not about establishing some kind of unrealistic utopia where food just magically stays fresh. An ideal kitchen will still have food that turns, sours and expires. But "fridges" in that house will be SO different from everything that we assume needs to be true about fridges today that we might not even recognize them as “fridges” because our concept of refrigeration is so twisted and wrong and messed up. If you do support doing away with the fridge, educate yourself on why this is reasonable and what that could look like.-Yeah but...
That End of Policing book she links in the twitter thread claims to cover: "[...]places where the robust implementation of policing alternatives—such as legalization, restorative justice, and harm reduction—has led to a decrease in crime, spending, and injustice." I would surprised if those scenarios also had absolutely no police force as well.
― Evan, Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
I feel ya on the messaging, but the analogy breaks down a bit when you get rid of your fridge but then unauthorized people want to break into your house and haphazardly chill your food for you (whether you like it or not) while also occasionally killing your children, taking your valuables, and sexually assaulting you
― I was working as a waitress in an oxygen bar (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:45 (three years ago) link
No I totally acknowledge that! That sort of refrigeration service is definitely way over the line, I'm not about to ignore those issues, but if totally abolished I'd still be worried about my milk turning?
― Evan, Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link
Or did I misread you- you said after getting rid of the fridge?
― Evan, Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
a better analogy is that cops are like guns, ostensibly for self-defense but end up killing/maiming a lot of ppl in the process and also fascists love them
― methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
I know what I need my fridge for. I don’t believe I need the cops for anything, and if I’ve been unwittingly relying on them for a certain amount of comfort I’ll give up the comfort.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:55 (three years ago) link
Isn't that thinking of things a little too anecdotally? Also are you libertarian?
― Evan, Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link
I mean I didn’t come up with the analogy
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link
I’m just drawing contrasts between cops and refrigerators
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
I was ignoring the fridge analogy with those questions.
― Evan, Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
i feel a john oliver bit coming on
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:06 (three years ago) link
"I don’t believe I need the cops for anything, and if I’ve been unwittingly relying on them for a certain amount of comfort I’ll give up the comfort."
Was referring to that.
― Evan, Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link
my post is only valid in consideration of the refrigerator analogy, I decline to answer follow-up questions
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:07 (three years ago) link
I'm not a libertarian tho, god forbid
Yeah, the anecdotal appeals are really not working for me at all. 'I've personally never had to rely on the cops for anything so they're useless.' 'I've personally had nothing but negative interactions with cops so they're pointless.' On an emotional level, I'm with you. On a rhetorical level, they can be immediately countered by anecdotes from those who have been helped by or had largely-positive experiences with police. Anecdotes are not a basis for radically changing policy.
― Fun-Loving and Furry-Curious! (Old Lunch), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link
Pretty sure the quote I isolated stands regardless of your fridge feelings. But if you don't want to engage, that's "cool" I guess.
xp
― Evan, Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link
I don't owe you jack!
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:12 (three years ago) link
I just didn't like your analogy
I hate cops, counterfactuals, and stupid analogies in that order
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:13 (three years ago) link
Like the stats out of Minneapolis make a compelling case for showing those fuckers the door. They back up the anecdotes.
― Fun-Loving and Furry-Curious! (Old Lunch), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:13 (three years ago) link
There are a lot of differences between fridges and cops, don't get me wrong
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link
But whenever I look up and see a fridge it's usually white. Just saying
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:21 (three years ago) link
Here's an uncool conservative belief (small 'c', pub bore variety): My dad remembers not having a fridge, as a boy. And he turned out okay!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 7 June 2020 23:24 (three years ago) link
Nah silby I honestly wasn't going for passive aggressive I was just making the lowest effort fridge pun imaginable.
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2020 00:23 (three years ago) link
will post to puns that you had missed thread
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 8 June 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link
In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by three separate yet equally important groups: The police, who investigate crime; the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders; and the refrigerators that store the creamers the other two groups need for their coffee. These are their stories.
DUN DUN
― I was working as a waitress in an oxygen bar (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 8 June 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link
DA walks into precinct kitchen with detective"Did you ever find out who was stealing our lunch?""Nope; it's a cold case"[opens almost empty fridge, stares at empty shelves]"The case may be cold, but my missing hoagie?"https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.hellogiggles.com%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2F18131754%2Felliot-stabler-law-and-order-svu.jpg
― Evan, Monday, 8 June 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
Thread Ban Silby
― sarahell, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link
From where??? This thread?
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 02:37 (three years ago) link
do I need to write 1000 words as to why you should be banned from this thread, bro?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
I’ll be honest with you I usually don’t check what thread I’m posting in
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 02:40 (three years ago) link
just be like a fridge, and chill on the cool progressive beliefs in this thread
― sarahell, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 02:47 (three years ago) link
I’m very conservative compared to my friend who is an avowed Marxist-Leninist, whatever that means
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 02:49 (three years ago) link
yeah we all have cooler more radical friends ... hi-five!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 9 June 2020 02:50 (three years ago) link
there is only one thread, i'm on the same page. literally
― our god is a might god (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 03:31 (three years ago) link
i love the afl
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 03:32 (three years ago) link
(american football league)
― crystal-brained yogahead (map), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 03:33 (three years ago) link
My uncool conservative belief on abolish is that it seems crazy and scary, so probably should do it and see what happens.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 9 June 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link
(i know im late but) the argument that the 'defund the police' slogan is going to backfire on convincing moderates feels like really foolhardy logic considering the people who have been advocating for "defund the police" -- IE mainline organizations from the movement like Black Lives Matter itself -- are the ones who have, very successfully, moved the overton window now to the place that it is, where people are even debating or considering the idea.
"Do you support or oppose (X)"Defunding Police:Support: 28%Oppose: 58%Redirecting Police Funding To Communities:Support: 43%Oppose: 42%Morning Consult / June 14, 2020 / n=1987 / Online— Polling USA (@USA_Polling) June 17, 2020
This poll shows nearly a 1/3rd of Americans actually support "defunding the police," and the number rises to nearly half if you change the wording to imply the definition of "defunding the police."
The movement has done an incredible job of mainstreaming, over an incredibly short time, a concept that seemed hopelessly radical like, a month ago. And now it's getting backseat driver advice on how to more compellingly make the case?
Day after day new stories about people being killed & the police having zero repercussions come out. The idea that this is a farfetched pipe dream ... i could see the argument if we didn't have police unions operating as dangerous ideological, fascistic entities doxing the mayor of new york's daughter, lying to the public, protecting actual murderers; if we didn't have a government in place that was bordering on fascistic itself. But the left finally has some real purchase on the discourse & in the streets & we're second guessing that leadership? seems to me it's doing a lot better at making change happen than these scared suggestions that if we just say "reform the police" it will somehow end up w/ better results...
I dont really get the point, I guess, of being this kind of cynical, message-oriented moderate when you're facing ppl who are just repeating outright lies ... you have to tell the truth.
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 18 June 2020 07:14 (three years ago) link
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― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 18 June 2020 08:34 (three years ago) link
I know it's sexist, but people in Aubrey Huff's twitter replies who assume he's a woman will always be a solid source of humor to me.
― peace, man, Thursday, 18 June 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link
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Do you have something to say tracer
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 18 June 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
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― Evan, Thursday, 18 June 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link
D-40 i think the gif speaks for itself. imagine me giving you that look.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 June 2020 08:35 (three years ago) link
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― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, June 19, 2020 12:35 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
My uncool conservative belief: Hudson Yards is awesome and good
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 19 June 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
what do you like abou it?
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 19 June 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
cancel eephus
― mookieproof, Friday, 19 June 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link