Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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The rot in white America’s heart will only ever put worse and worse Republicans into power

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link

that may be true, but this appeals to an ever narrowing slice of the electorate, and is propped up by widespread efforts to steal votes rather than earn them.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link

Is it not working?

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link

it has worked, I'm not convinced it will work much longer

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:35 (three years ago) link

The party of 'Trumpism today, Trumpism tomorrow, and Trumpism forever' is going to find it nearly impossible to get the electorate to endorse Trump himself a second time. Their only hope in November would be to engage in vote suppression on a massive scale, unprecedented since the Voting Rights Act of 1965 passed. Their next best hope is being out of power, since all they really know how to do well and consistently is to obstruct, complain, vilify, hatch conspiracy theories, and prove the country is ungovernable without their consent.

The Senate filibuster must be destroyed forever in 2021. If the ship is going down, at least it will be clear who was in charge.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:36 (three years ago) link

if you trust Biden or anyone in his circle to meaningfully capitalize on or substantively counteract any of that then we have reached a pretty clear "agree to disagree" situation xps

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:36 (three years ago) link

also iirc Biden does not support ending the filibuster

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:38 (three years ago) link

(and yeah I know Bernie didn't either, but at least he had a scheme in mind to accomplish similar ends)

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:38 (three years ago) link

yes, I agree completely with your first post. As to the 2nd, you may well be right, but there needs to be huge amount of pressure put on him to do just that.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:39 (three years ago) link

Joe Biden thinks his calling card is his long history of reaching across the aisle (to work with such luminaries as Jesse Helms, Storm Thurmond and... Mitch McConnell).

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:41 (three years ago) link

(And Cornpop, probably)

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:41 (three years ago) link

he's under a lot of delusions about that stuff that he will need to disabuse of very quickly.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:48 (three years ago) link

How exactly does one "disabuse" the late-septuagenarian most powerful person of the political program he's pursued his entire life?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link

most powerful person in the world

The Joe Biden who exists is the Joe Biden you're getting. You have no leverage over him once in office - you gonna vote for Tom Cotton in 2024 over a second Biden term?

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 12 June 2020 04:54 (three years ago) link

is this election over yet

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:01 (three years ago) link

The Joe Biden Who Exists is the Joe Biden You're Getting by Flannery O'Connor

voltmeter said i had potential (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:05 (three years ago) link

is this election over yet

jokes on you it's still q4 2016

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:12 (three years ago) link

It really feels like that's true, is the problem.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:13 (three years ago) link

the psychic trauma and humiliation of having to deal with a constant daily flow of utterly shitty things flowing from his incompetence and malevolence will in fact come to an end.

one of the very worst things about Trump's presidency is that the daily flow of utterly shitty things will in fact continue after he loses, as so many of them have been set up to keep running

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:13 (three years ago) link

death to America etc.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:21 (three years ago) link

of course

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:22 (three years ago) link

(sorry, I was duty bound to complete the bit)

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 05:29 (three years ago) link

the Dem rank and file has never put pressure on a D president in my entire life.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2020 14:03 (three years ago) link

^not since LBJ anyhoo

The argument that Biden needs to shore up African American turnout is a good one, but if Harris had the kind of draw with them them that her boosters on the internet say she'd be picking the VP, not in the running for it.

— Nied (@BNiederer) June 12, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 12 June 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link

That is a pretty weak argument, unless "her boosters" is meant to be refer only to the hardest of hardcore KHive dead-enders.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 12 June 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

Our country is crying out for leadership that Donald Trump can’t deliver. pic.twitter.com/QHvUdgg6Io

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) June 12, 2020

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 12 June 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link

His campaign advisors and media managers have what the military calls "a target-rich environment". But even though the message that Trump is a horrible man, horrible leader, and disaster for the nation needs to be a bass note running through the campaign from now to November, it is not one his base needs to absorb before choosing between them.

At some point he'll need to figure out some key issues where he rewards voters for bestowing their vote upon him, something to be eager for, not just bashing Trump on the daily. His signature program can probably can wait for the 'convention', whatever that looks like, but it needs to arrive by September to help drive turnout, both up and down the ballot.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 12 June 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link

I have to admit I'm still chuckling at the "de fund for the police" tweet. I'm half convinced it'll turn out prophetic.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 23:24 (three years ago) link

he should run on legalizing marijuana

fatuous salad (symsymsym), Friday, 12 June 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link

being the Democratic nominee for president in a period of rapidly rising demands for social change, and needing the national base to show up for you to win, encourages a somewhat different perspective than being senator from Delaware in a time of rampant Reaganism. if he knows how to shift left, he will.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 12 June 2020 23:29 (three years ago) link

kinda unlikely considering his quotes on the subject from a only a month ago xp

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 12 June 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link

we'll find out more as we go along. masses in the streets in most states alters matters. but change is hard for anyone, let alone an old man who has been amply rewarded for his past views.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 12 June 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link

I think I just caught a YouTube ad from him that starts off "Hello everyone. I'm coming to you today for ask a quick favor."

peace, man, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 15:33 (three years ago) link

please give me $5

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link

The Detroit Free Press reported Tuesday that a poll that was conducted in the same period as the earlier Michigan poll, but a day later — and by the same pollster, EPIC-MRA — showed that Biden’s margin was actually 16 points. That’s within the margin of error of the other poll, so it doesn’t necessarily mean that Trump’s numbers deteriorated that week. But when you compare it with EPIC-MRA’s earlier polling, which in January showed Biden up just six points, that does indicate a decline for Trump: From Biden at plus-6 in January to Biden between plus-12 and plus-16 in early June.

And there are plenty of other examples where that came from this month. For this post, we will focus not on all polls of a given state or the national race, which can be scattershot, but on polls that were run by the same pollster, as the Michigan ones were.

A clear majority of them suggest that Biden’s lead is expanding.

To wit:

  • An Iowa poll for the Des Moines Register by respected pollster Ann Selzer last week showed Trump up by just one point (44-43), after it showed him up 10 in March (51-41). The new poll tied for Trump’s smallest margin to date — in any poll — in a state he won by nine points in 2016.
  • A Wisconsin poll for Fox News early this month showed Biden up nine points (49-40) after leading by five (46-41) in January. The new poll tied for Trump’s biggest deficit to date in a state he won by one point in 2016.
  • A CNN poll last week showed Biden up 14 points (55-41) nationally after it showed him up five points (51-46) last month.
  • A Washington Post-ABC News poll from late May showed Biden up 10 points nationally (53-43) after it showed him up just two (49-47) in March.
  • A Fox News poll in late May showed Biden up eight points nationally (48-40) after it showed him tied with Trump (42-42) in April.
  • A CNBC poll in late May showed Biden up seven nationally (48-41) — his biggest margin to date in a poll that earlier in the month showed him up three.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/16/trumps-2020-polls-are-getting-worse-heres-proof

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link

i for one am shocked that a massive mishandled pandemic, 13% unemployment and nightly protests about racial injustice across the world might perhaps sway voters

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link

EPIC-MRA is a very funny name for a polling institution

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 16 June 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

In 2016, my neighborhood had some bumper stickers and small yard signs, but I didn't see any large yard signs or flags. A few weeks back, someone on one of the main roads put a Trump 2020 flag on their house. Last night on a bike ride, I noticed that they were now surrounded on three sides by neighbors with Biden flags. Their house is for sale as well; I'm not sure how recent that development is.

peace, man, Wednesday, 17 June 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link

I clicked on a YT interview with elderly Mae West. A Biden ad started, and somehow I wasn't surprised.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 12:53 (three years ago) link

Because his target market is people too confused by modern life to install adblockers?

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 12:58 (three years ago) link

ooh

sic burn

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 12:59 (three years ago) link

my ad blocker is breaking lately, the starts of the ads are getting through—and it's wall-to-wall trump or biden ads

j., Wednesday, 17 June 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link

the Underworld poll would have definitely killed me if I was getting ads on youtube

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Wednesday, 17 June 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

Joe Biden: "You ought to marry into a family of 5 or more sisters... You know why that's the reason? One of them always loves you." pic.twitter.com/6ZIoG4t2Oj

— The Hill (@thehill) June 18, 2020

More evidence of VP Mitt

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 18 June 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link

For the record I agree 100 percent with Senator Klobuchar. Angela Davis is the only logical choice.

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) June 19, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 June 2020 13:02 (three years ago) link

or Clair Huxtable.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 June 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link

i think biden's suits are kind of cool. he often reaches for a much brighter blue than the dark navy that politicians usually wear.

treeship., Friday, 19 June 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link

he's really taking the empty-suit thing to its logical extreme, i agree

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 19 June 2020 14:20 (three years ago) link

has joe biden considered maybe offering a plan to provide healthcare to all people

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) June 19, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 June 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link


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