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Yo, fuck Nebraska.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Fuck yo' Capitol. Buy a new one, you rich mother fucker.

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 20:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I just want to say, as a former editor and a slavish devotee of the Chicago Manual of Style, I am fully on Team John (and Dan, I think, although I skimmed much of the thread) about the quotes thing. Fully.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, most of what I had to say is completely skimmable in retrospect. What else is new?

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 20:50 (seventeen years ago) link

You mean the periods inside of the quotes? Yeah, I mean, I know it's correct (in this country). But it seems less logical.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I take a strict robot line: You can only go inside the quotes if you're part of what's being quoted. I always heard that the reason periods and commas were put inside the quotes is that they were small bits of type and thus would break if not protected by the larger quotation mark bits. This seems like nonsense but even if it's true it's no longer required. What goes inside the quotes is that which is being quoted!

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 22:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I have been trying to post forever that I did not mean to suggest that your posts are in any way skimmable, Mr. Dan.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I think Chris is right about the inside-the-quotes rule being invented by printers. Lots of punctuation was invented by printers. Most of it, I'd guess.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Question:

John and I are lying in bed. Jenny is sitting across the room, crocheting. John asks me, "Am I beautiful?" I sodomize his face.

Later I go to Jenny and want to know if John asked the question with the words Am, I and beautiful.

Is this the following correct?
Hey Jenny, did he ask "Am I beautiful?"

Also, would you say Peter, Paul and Mary or Peter, Paul, and Mary? I vascillate between the two. I have no preference, but usually include the 2nd comma just to be consistent with myself.

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that the period outside the quotes is aesthetically pretty unappealing. The quotes are a nice bookend. In fact, probably the symbol " should replace . as the symbol that marks the end of a sentence"

Or perhaps| I think that indicates a finality that a period does not|

How's about those crazy French with their

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:07 (seventeen years ago) link

shit. this isn't going to comoe out right, but

how about those french and their >

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Comma before the "and" is essential.

I have been trying to post forever that I did not mean to suggest that your posts are in any way skimmable, Mr. Dan.

I know, I was just being self-deprecating. It's my way.

We are going to see Idiocracy tonight at 9:30 at the City North 14 at Western/Schubert if anyone is interested.

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

this WILL work.

those french and their < < quotation marks > >

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:25 (seventeen years ago) link

I have no preference, but usually include the 2nd comma just to be consistent with myself.

There are entire threads on ILX about serial commas. I vastly prefer them.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link

«These quotation marks?»

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Serial commas are like gods. Except REAL.

What is this about thirsting on Thursdays?

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

&mdash Dashes are where it's at, James Joyce said. Inverted commas? More like perverted commas.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I use dashes too much; I believe it may be because I fear looking pretentious using semicolons.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Show me where Joyce said that?

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Wait, I don't think there's supposed to be a space after the em dash.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

You're right, but I didn't know how HTML would parse that. I'd never used an em dash in HTML before.

Jesse: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22perverted+commas%22+joyce&btnG=Google+Search

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

You can run &mdash;s or any other HTML characters together as much as you want: ————Now I am Laurence Sterne.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

Also do you have any time over the next few days for drinky drinks? Or dinner, or whatever?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Moi? Maybe. Remind me how long you're here. Are you here now?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:42 (seventeen years ago) link

If you are here on Friday night, I am rounding up people to go to a Polish buffet called Red Apple, and there will probably be drinks beforehand at a nearby Polish bar.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:44 (seventeen years ago) link

&emdash;Yes.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Oops. I mean:

—Yes.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

You as well as anyone else who wants to get together. I am here now. I will be here until, oh, I don't know yet. Maybe as long as Sunday, maybe not that long. Depends on what is happening really.

xpost Oh that will do just fine, then. Does the Polish buffet have veggie options?

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:45 (seventeen years ago) link

It does. There are several salads, as well as pierogies, potato pancakes, blintz, etc.

I've never been there before, but it seems like it could be an adventure. I'm choosing the restaurant as part of my duty for Restaurant Club (click for a hilarious picture of me in full beard), which means there could be random people I went to college with in attendance, but it's also a little out of the way and unconventional enough that I suspect most people won't bother.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

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always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:03 (seventeen years ago) link

que? how do i do that?

&mdash

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link

oh. like that. andemdash.

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I HEARD a fly buzz when I died;
The stillness round my form
Was like the stillness in the air
Between the heaves of storm.

The eyes beside had wrung them dry,
And breaths were gathering sure
For that last onset, when the king
Be witnessed in his power.

I willed my keepsakes, signed away
What portion of me I
Could make assignable,—and then
There interposed a fly,

With blue, uncertain, stumbling buzz,
Between the light and me;
And then the windows failed, and then
I could not see to see.

The Pig on the Stairs (hanging in a groovy purple shirt) (unclejessjess), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I love full beard John. I have also always wanted to go to the Red Apple and that is no lie. Well always as in ever since I heard about it. I may be estudiaring, however, although I would sure like to see Chris. He's tall.

Party Time Country Female (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I love full beard John.

Oh, he was never bad, but why hide that face? Nevermind, it's out of our hands anyway now. His girlfriend gets to decide if he has a beard or not.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 02:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Red Apple is not far from my house, so come say hi if you want.

Idiocracy was quite funny.

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I sure am tall. Oh yeah.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

B. is on the phone with his bf. They are talking about art. Well, mostly B. is talking. Tee-hee.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 03:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Idiocracy was quite funny.

You think so? I thought he shot his whole wad in the first five minutes, and the rest was plodding and, yeah, kinda stupid. It certainly didn't work as satire. Maybe it worked occasionally as dirty jokes ("Go away! I'm 'batin!") but what was really the point, other than that all of humanity is fundamentally dumb, likes junk food, and likes to screw? Was he trying to equate all these things? I take offense, Mr. Judge. I am not dumb, but I like to screw, I watch violent movies, I eat nasty-ass food sometimes, and I even enjoy advertising if I think it clever. I do not feel that I am going to be the downfall of human civilization. Was he saying that I am deluded? That I am at the bottom of humanity without realizing it? Was he saying that everyone in the world is stupid? That's not satire, and it's not clever. It's simple misanthropy. If that's his big statement, it's not likely to win him many friends. And if his whole point was to make fart jokes, why wrap it in such weak social satire?

Pretty bad movie.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

That doesn't sound promising.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:06 (seventeen years ago) link

This movie genuinely made me feel depressed. It is, at its core, full of hate for all humans. Who needs this?

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:24 (seventeen years ago) link

It certainly didn't work as satire.

I can't get past this sentence. Did we see the same movie?

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:33 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm seeing King Lear on Thursday night, but maybe my poss and I can drop by TTs on the way over, if it's in the Loop.

I misuse en-dashes - I put a space between them, and on the Internet I've made the choice to just use a simple hyphen. As opposed to the proper way--like this.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:46 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

Satire of what, exactly? Everyone in the whole damn world being less smart than everyone who sees this movie? No wait, maybe his point was more subtle than that. Maybe it was that 500 years in the the future, everyone will see advertising everywhere they look! OMG even on their clothes! The dystopia of it all! I gag at the very thought!

Or maybe his point was something about our ruining the environment. Because 500 years in the future, we will be too stupid to know to water our crops with water instead of Gatorade. I'm not arguing for the plot to be logical on this point, but still. Really now. If this is satire, it's ham-fisted and silly. And so is this movie. At best.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 04:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Imagine this: Beavis and Butthead ruled the world for 500 years, due to some life-extending technology. The world came to the logical conclusion that that implies. Now imagine that world without them commenting on videos or having funny side plots. That's this movie.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 05:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Satire of what, exactly?

Um, everything?

(watch our for spoilers below, those who care about such things)

I am not saying that this is the smartest, most well-exectuted satire ever. But how could you have not completely lost it at the fat fucking slobby greeter in the city-sized Costco: "Welcome to Costco, I love you." Or the plastic dinosaur wearing a Nazi flag fighting a plastic dinosaur wearing an American flag being presented at a "museum" as representing World War II? What about characters named "Frito" and "Mountain Dew"?

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 05:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Aaaaand two more paragraphs of post were lost there, somehow. God damn it.

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 05:32 (seventeen years ago) link

This is what should have come right after ... "Mountain Dew"?

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This kind of shit (people sharing names with companies/products) is already happening in the real world today!

This movie was an over-the-top, ridiculous send-up view of the future. It skewers so many aspects of our current culture so completely, with such an eye for details, that it was almost impossible to take it all in. Corporate culture, macho nationalism, social/political apathy, Arnold Schwartzenegger... you name it, they got 'em good. I also think the movie did a good job of finding fault with the "left" or "opposition" or whatever you want to call it for over-intellectualizing problems, being weak/indecisive/factionalized and cowtowing to big money interests just like the corporate whores do. ("I like money. I can't believe you like money and sex too!") I don't think it's filled with hate for humanity at all, except aspects of humanity like greed and sloth and complacency.

Sorry you didn't like it, Kenan. I laughed my ass off, and so did just about everyone else there as far as I could tell.

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 05:34 (seventeen years ago) link

But how could you have not completely lost it at the fat fucking slobby greeter in the city-sized Costco: "Welcome to Costco, I love you."

Ok, that was damn funny. And kinda subtle, even.

What about characters named "Frito" and "Mountain Dew"?

That's where he lost me.

I also think the movie did a good job of finding fault with the "left" or "opposition" or whatever you want to call it for over-intellectualizing problems, being weak/indecisive/factionalized and cowtowing to big money interests just like the corporate whores do.

Man. I wish I had seen the same movie you did.

always crashing in other people's cars (kenan), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Sounds like Infinite Jest to me.

Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 05:54 (seventeen years ago) link


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