letz talk abt gucci mane

and if someone is gonna imply that im a racist for saying that gucci is a good lyricist with an unusual vocabulary or whatever it is then im just gonna go "lol internet" because what else is there to say

i dunno something abt it really bothers me. maybe its just annoying that its so stupid

its giving me 'stuff white people like' extremely imprecise satire vibes

it's getting attention because people who aren't feeling gucci can rally around this piece of writing that doesn't address the music because it's much easier to do that than to articulate why he's not a good rapper and even easier than to admit that the guy is a good rapper. i would have the same response if people on blogs started rallying around ethan's joke review of 'like father, like son' - this gucci post is as much of a joke

plus dude cmon i was getting bored w/ defending mj from the internet

alright

Ben Westhoff said...
This is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

JUNE 28, 2009 6:16 PM

^^this is from the guy who wrote the "hysterical satirical piece" on lil wayne/zac efron - i think this basically proves my point as to who this is catering to and why it isn't worthy of a response

real glad i ended up not posting anything abt that aside from in its comments section

DocZeus said...
"doczeus is sounding pretty 'sensitive' to me."

I'm sorry didn't you pop shots on your blog at Gordon and proceed to promptly delete your post when you realized you looked childish and foolish? Have the courage to, at least, stand by what you believe in. Grow some balls, son.

well not exactly

i already responded to that & basically put forth my philosophy of ignoring morons who still dont get it. they have to 'approve' the comments

should have followed that in the first place but talking w noz abt the philaflava thread where i guess everyone is cosigning this post had my *rolling my damn eyes* again

yes i know this is more than i should have bothered with

responding to gucci bashers is not something that shouldn't be done it's just that it people who hate him are unwilling to engage with his music so there are no real arguments to respond to - the only one i can think of was jayson greene in that coke blunts comment section but what he was saying was like... wildly off base even objectively

even this guy doczeus in the comments of this spends 200 words talking about regional biases

uhhh said...
um nah heres real talk:

gucci is gangster rap. Some ppl like to pretend gangster shit is 'over' as if the streets are passe. they also like to accuse folks taking street shit seriously of overwriting.

in the initial arguments for gucci's relevance i dont see much hyperbole or whatever. (i dont understand a word of what brandon says, but im not sure hes using 'hyperbole' like is being parodied here per se).

basically here is how i break it down to an extent: gucci is a great rapper. no academia needed to back that up. hes super lyrical & raps about standard gangster rap topics. if u dont get it, u are probably a softbatch blogger who at best is just parodying people for not being very good writers / very good at expressing appreciation. you still dont have interesting opinions of your own & mos def's record isnt better than gucci's just because gucci has a song called 'booty shorts'

ok so which ilxor is this? is it you deej under an assumed name?

i hope you realize that GM wouldn't even warrant the ire of all these reactionary Bill Cosby-ass rap blogs if you guys hadn't zealously oversold the whole "gucci is such a lyricist in the classic sense" angle

also sarge when you call people who don't like your favorite rapper "bashers" you come off pretty butthurt even if that's obviously what you're trying not to do

really bummed that my car broke down this weekend so I couldn't make it out to this:

http://www.roxboromotorsports.com/images/GUCCI.jpg

zealously oversold the whole "gucci is such a lyricist in the classic sense" angle

― some dude, Monday, June 29, 2009 8:39 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

??

he is a great lyricist some dude. & i dont think we were zealously overselling anything -- keeping in mind u were sleeping when we wrote that shit too

this is exactly whats annoying me abt this 'debate' -- its totally changing the terms on which ppl are discussing his music.

i'm just saying, you guys really set the terms of discourse that allowed these cornballs to turn GM into their platform for boring-ass discussions of racism and trying to read a rapper's "intelligence" based on their songs

i think that stream of discussion has happened every time a new rapper surfaces ...? I think after the clipse/jeezy pitchfork thing dudes were just waiting for the next street rapper who has a 'stupid' persona to be taken seriously so they could pull this, i mean theyve been saying the same damn things about noz ever since he took soulja boy seriously so

im not really sure what we could have done to avoid this

im happy that we've set the discourse as gucci as a classical lyricist because he is. and i agree with deej that gucci is just being held up as "generic southern rapper x" for people who want to bash gangster rap be it for the misogyny or the drug talk or the fact that the guy doesn't rap like nas or whatever it is. as i've said, i have read very few reasonable criticisms of gucci's music and even more to the point very view criticisms directly to things that i and david write. even in noz's comments section, which basically turns into a gucci discussion whenever he posts a song, there seem to be a lot of people who are like "i wasn't fucking with dude but he's great yeah!"

also sarge when you call people who don't like your favorite rapper "bashers" you come off pretty butthurt even if that's obviously what you're trying not to do

― some dude, Monday, June 29, 2009 8:41 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

im just trying to use a catchall term - "bashers" or "detractors" or "people who don't like gucci mane" or whatever it is

yeah i dunno -- basically i think noz's super sarcastic post ("He’s way smarter than anybody who was ever on Rawkus (except for maybe Big L because he was a drug dealer)") was the way to go with this shit. the problem is these cornballs were writing epic tracts about Lil Wayne well after LW was too big for their ridiculous theories to have any effect, but since GM's record sales haven't caught up with his popularity yet all these hacks are trying to be gatekeepers, like 'blog buzz' can stop a career from growing the same way it can put guys on the XXL cover.

prefer gucci to GM

i prefer just about anything to discussing abbreviation preferences for "gucci mane"

:)

kinda sad to see that in the guardian's bit on obsessed, there is nothing mentioned about the gucci remix.

you're british!

apology accepted

ha, yeah.

also this
http://24hourhiphop.com/article.php?id=4927
unnamed source tells of gucci's plans to 'clean up'
lol @ thought of gucci getting a personal trainer

heavy breathing adlib joke

"that boy bad"

gucci pull up shawty go and tell everybody
maserati stinkin like a god damn dead body
red monkeys on my ass, ten grand in every pocket
so icey plug man, plug me into any socket
so mad i beat a charge then i made a rap about it
sean paul's in the hood i bet i get a hundred out it
money stackin to the point where i can't count it
i need a new accountant, lost my mind and still aint found it
higher than a martian, but not a local artist
when i was a local artist, 10 bricks in my ma's apartment
glove compartment full of white, trunk filled with green
plus im smokin on the kush, rollin on a bean
on the scene, fresh and clean like a money machine
purple kush, purple lean, purple donk on things
sellin dreams, gucci understand me
i'm a walking bank roll, you can rubber band me

this blog guy is just bitter that a rapper can generate hype on the internet these days without being officially ranked one place above Blueprint in Jason Seagrave's Top 50

http://voguingtodanzig.blogspot.com/2009/06/open-letter-to-gucci-mane.html#links

lol

http://nahright.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/gucci-rolling-out.jpg

one for the magazinepedia

http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23favgucciquotes

three x-men fell victim to my 40 cal, little smurfs tryna act like they were gargamels

Gucci Mane not Stephen King but my car crazy like Christine.

zaytoven's studio is in his parents basement!!

jingle bells
bubble kush smells

drop top beem, passenger seat celebrity
seven chains on so gucci mane shining heavily

my car got personality, the grille be smiling honey
my rims are very charming and my leather seats are comfy
gucci major money shawty i get crazy cloudy
have a baby be me probly maybe i'll buy you an audi
maui wowey, stupid cloudy, loudy got me rowdy rowdy
chevy caprice 73 play master p im bout it bout it
prints color mariah carey, if they're candid ask about it
tell em that big gucci said it, so icey get stupid with it
drop top beem, passenger seat celebrity
seven chains on so gucci mane shining heavily
cocaine heavenly, soft white prejudice
all white bricks same color as my necklace

^^second verse

first verse

(intro)
jiiiingle bells
bumble kush smells
6-7-5 one ounce
my trap do numbers, chickens all summers
but come back dawg year out, out

my swag turned up, my swag got an amp
your tramp seen the champ and her pussy got damp
chickens with the stamp
i count so much money that my fingers got a cramp
if you're not with that camp, i suggest you better vamp
i'm rollin up the plant, gucci mane's an alien and youre not even ant
never say can't, ball, kevin durant
camp shine like lamps; guns, grass game gramp
crack a egg, that's my charm, like an omelette on my arm
cuz my diamonds are my sons, yellow diamonds for my mom
he'll go to the prom, sellin dope what i was doin
lamborghini, beemer, corvettes and my ten year class reunion

my flow so weird
diamonds same color as santa clause beard
ho ho hoes i think santa clause here
dashing through the snow in my old school chevrolet
over the hills we go, neena, i sold so much dope

third verse (i tried)

[???] jumper, i can't throw a slider
but gucci mane's a rider, slide by any spider
spiker, viper, vette with rally striper
tiger stripe piss in my house, ran into bite ya
scandals way higher, don't have time to tie em
cocaina fry em, gas don't cut the eye uh
bags full of kushy, beg a pussy to push me
brick ya from the roofie, uses it for a cushion
gushin, whippin, my watch is good lookin
attractive, handsome, damn that bitch is lookin
gucci admit it, realest that ever did it
committed, my ceiling's on penny gutter and gritty

The beat is ridiculous.

what song are you talking about here