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I'll be in a position to get a new macbook this fall. this thread gives me pause? my current machine is a 2014 15" mbp that works great; I use it to drive a big 4k monitor in clamshell mode, but (used to?) use its portability also. my life will (maybe?) be considerably more portable in the fall, so I still want a laptop. was thinking of going with the 13" mbp rather than the air, is that a mistake? won't buy until september in any case.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:37 (three years ago) link

i’m in the minority that has a touchbar macbook and i love it. it’s 13”, maybe those were built better? anyway a version with a better keyboard sounds great (not that i’ve had an problem with mine)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:41 (three years ago) link

ok good to hear. looking at the 13" for the sake of portability, it seems it'll drive external monitors as well as the larger model. can't just get away with a tablet.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 20 June 2020 13:44 (three years ago) link

I'll be in a position to get a new macbook this fall. this thread gives me pause? my current machine is a 2014 15" mbp that works great; I use it to drive a big 4k monitor in clamshell mode, but (used to?) use its portability also. my life will (maybe?) be considerably more portable in the fall, so I still want a laptop. was thinking of going with the 13" mbp rather than the air, is that a mistake? won't buy until september in any case.


I have a 16” Mbp that kernel panics reproducibly in clamshell mode so ... not that? Everything I’ve read says the MBA does not have this problem, but I haven’t seen anything either me way about the 13” mbp.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 June 2020 14:41 (three years ago) link

i'm currently using a 2012 MBP that had its entire HD replaced in early 2017 under AppleCare warranty, and it is really starting to drag...thinking about getting a new computer, and have been using Apple products for personal computing for so long that going back to a PC sounds difficult...but what's a guy to do? should i get an MBA? wait until the fall when the bugs with the new MBPs are figured out?

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 20 June 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

I would not make any decisions until the WWDC next week. There’s an expectation they will announce the timeline for a switch from intel to arm processors. If it’s going to take 6 months then wait. If it’s going to take 3 years maybe just go ahead.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 June 2020 15:07 (three years ago) link

ok caek that would be a big problem! the 13" mbp is just a bit more expensive than the air but has somewhat better specs (and someone else is paying for it). but the air is lighter and will fit even easier in my current awesome backpack.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 20 June 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

xp re. kernel panics, not re. arm processors, but yeah, I could afford to wait a bit if that timeline emerges.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 20 June 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

If I needed a new machine today I would get a maxed out MacBook Air, no question

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 June 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link

Or a pc laptop tbqh

Maybe just one of these https://www.pine64.org/pinebook-pro/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 June 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link

I love my MBP16 for the most part, but I never use it with the lid closed. Seems like a waste of a screen!

DJI, Saturday, 20 June 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link

yeah I might go for a pinebook if someone else weren't gonna buy me a new box. it's easily sufficient for my needs (though I love the look & feel of mac os still).

it is a waste of a screen but my 4k monitor is super gorgeous and I'd like to get another for the new office I'll have in another town this fall, in addition to my home office. then I can just bring the laptop back & forth without having to bother with syncing.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 20 June 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link

Definitely getting a pinebook once the manufacturing stuff is figured out (which might be a while with covid) https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/06/pinebook-pro-review-a-200-foss-to-the-hilt-magnesium-chassis-laptop/?amp=1

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 20 June 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link

I spend most of my days switching between a MacBook Air and a cheap HP Elitebook and I would not, repeat not, go for a pc laptop at this point. They're better than they used to be but still only OK, while the MBA is great.

The MacBook Pro my employer gave me stays in its pouch under the desk, because it is a simultaneously over- and under- engineered brick.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link

I have a 13" touchbar MBP. it's a piece of shit and I hate it

scampo simmonite (||||||||), Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link

half of the keyboard only works half of the time, and even when it's 'fully functional', it's a chore to type anything beyond a sentence on it. I'm sure the newer ones are better

scampo simmonite (||||||||), Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

'how bad can a keyboard really be' I always thought. welp jokes on me

scampo simmonite (||||||||), Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

Euler what monitor do you have ?

calstars, Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

thanks for input! yeah, i've been waiting for the news on Monday, but i'm assuming that i'll just be waiting til fall or going with an Air a bit sooner.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link

The best PC laptop I’ve owned was by... Toshiba, strangely. I don’t think they make them anymore.

brimstead, Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link

iirc when I used to meet semi-regularly with Japanese folks as part of my job they all had Toshibas

El Tomboto, Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

I have a 2013-ish HP Elitebook for work (finally wiped and upgraded from W7 to W10 late last year) and it's ok but the screen could be from the '90s compared to any MacBook. My switch to eternal WFH happened too quick to sort out peripherals, so I've been borrowing my gf's 24" monitor and grotesquely clunky gaming keyboard (she was furloughed in early April after getting this stuff from her office). As the day goes on and I get drawn into more multiple maddening parallel Slack chats, my fingers hit the edge of the keys more and more frequently. I gotta get something else.

I've never used the Mac for work-work, just fun-work, so I've never been moved to shout at the thing. Except maybe in Numbers.

Michael Jones, Saturday, 20 June 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link

Gaming keyboards for work ftw

calstars, Saturday, 20 June 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link

I have a LG 27UD58-B. It was like 300 €.

Joey Corona (Euler), Saturday, 20 June 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link

I have my MBP13 on a stand next to my 27” 4K Screen boosting it up makes it work much better as a companion screen. Magic keyboard and trackpad. TBH it might as well be a desktop now given I don’t take my laptop out any more. I’m pretty sure that there’s not much I do that isn’t covered by what an iPad can do except working on the big screen (and the occasional stuff I do with R).

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Saturday, 20 June 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link

caek if that MBP is using a spinning-disk hard drive, an SSD is a no-brainer two year life extension, you seriously won't believe the improvement. A pretty easy job too - buy a 2.5 SATA SSD ($50-80), external case ($15 off eBay), Carbon Copy Cloner (free), a couple of hours to do a complete clone, 10-15 minutes of careful disassembly to switch drives, then you have an external backup drive along with a revitalised laptop.

assert (MatthewK), Saturday, 20 June 2020 23:58 (three years ago) link

Eh? Someone else?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 June 2020 01:51 (three years ago) link

I have an encrypted external drive with a user set up on it. I can log in as that user but only if i log in as a user on the main drive first and then switch user. I have the drives password in the keychain but it must be the regular drive users keycahin rather than anything in system.

Is there a way around this so I can log in directly as external drive user first? Its not super important and I can live with it, but good to know if there's a simple way around it

cherry blossom, Sunday, 21 June 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link

I have a user on the *internal* (encrypted) drive in the same situation - have to log in as someone else first. Curious is anyone knows.

lukas, Sunday, 21 June 2020 04:38 (three years ago) link

xxp sorry caek that was intended for table

assert (MatthewK), Sunday, 21 June 2020 07:04 (three years ago) link

Thank you Matthew! really appreciate it— i might just try that.

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 June 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link

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𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 14:39 (three years ago) link

waaaiiiit so i’ll be able to use Opera as default now??

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 14:56 (three years ago) link

So is it a good idea to wait for an arm laptop, or should I continue as planned to buy an intel one in September ?

Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link

I’m waiting at least until I know whether they’re doing the pro stuff first or last.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link

I guess the new iMac is gonna be the arm iMac?

calstars, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link

Seems like it would be crazy to use this new architecture for their Pro-series hardware, since there is a huge lift needed on the part of all the pro app-makers.

But I just recently got a MBP so this could be the upgrade malaise talking.

DJI, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link

I have an encrypted external drive with a user set up on it. I can log in as that user but only if i log in as a user on the main drive first and then switch user. I have the drives password in the keychain but it must be the regular drive users keycahin rather than anything in system.

Is there a way around this so I can log in directly as external drive user first? Its not super important and I can live with it, but good to know if there's a simple way around it

is the user account FileVault enabled?

beard papa, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link

ahhhh thanks beard papa that ("some users can't unlock this disk") solved my problem

lukas, Wednesday, 24 June 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link

So I can sync my phone wirelessly using the Finder, great. Love it. Weird, but okay.

But I can only import photos into Photos by plugging in a wire? Do I have that right?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 June 2020 14:07 (three years ago) link

All my photos synch wirelessly via iCloud I think?

Joey Corona (Euler), Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link

i don’t use icloud for photos. it takes up too much room on my phone. hence the need to pour them into my computer!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link

or is icloud for photos better now at conserving space, only downloading them to your phone as and when you want?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link

i use dropbox's camera upload feature to get photos from my phone to my computers but that's because icloud gives me the fear. afaict icloud photos is actually very good and will solve your problems tracer.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link

man it always used to just eat up room. i fear icloud too. it’s not like the wire’s a hassle, it’s just.... why?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link

I'm pointlessly old school and manual about photos; I don't enable iCloud because I figure it's going to immediately wipe out my free storage allowance and I'm going to start paying (even if it's only 79p/mo) for storing a load of crap, and what if I need something a week later and can't get online? Instead, every few months I connect the phone to the Mac + external HDD, open Lightroom and let it import everything it doesn't already have in its catalog. I then filter by device (i.e. if the metadata says it was something wifi'd off a proper camera, I can get rid, as it's elsewhere anyway), and wipe all the non-iPhone stuff. I then clear out the camera roll up to about three weeks back, great swathes at a time.

I figure anything I really want to access is in the online storage I already pay for (Lightroom CC, Flickr) and maybe quicker to find too. I feel a bit weird about absolute junk (Funny screenshots! "Which of these brands of chickpeas did you mean?" My gas meter reading! etc) sitting on some permanently-on server farm in Virginia, hastening our species' demise. Better to just...stick that in a drawer.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 28 June 2020 18:02 (three years ago) link

I do what caek does for my phone but what MJ does for my camera.

DJI, Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

Me too

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link

Dropbox camera upload is just a way to get phone photos onto my computer so I can treat them like camera photos (and to back them up while they’re not yet on my computer)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 28 June 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link

There’s probably even a way to have Lightroom watch that folder and Hoover up photos as they appear.

DJI, Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link


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