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yeah YMP I feel that. my 5 yo son gets really excited to see people on a call & he loves to fight with his sister whenever I've got something going on. WFH & WFH with small children are two totally different things, not comparable in the slightest

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:40 (one month ago) link

ha speaking of that -- one of my colleagues has a 4 year old -- he was working from home one day and I called him, and there was silence and then the sounds of footsteps and then a loud high=pitched squeal (this was after a few minutes) ... the child had picked up her dad's phone and had answered it and was presumably trying to "be like dad" by walking around carrying the phone.

sarahell, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:45 (one month ago) link

no need to acknowledge your privilege, YMP, anyone on this board who would try and toss that at you given what you're dealing with is a fucking asshole.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:45 (one month ago) link

during our (fairly informal) team meetings there are frequently pets in the background, which my kids of course get very excited about, which leads to everyone on the call showing off their pets, which leads to my kids thinking every call is full of people who just wanna show them their dogs

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:47 (one month ago) link

xp well that sounds actually one notch harder than working from home with my two kids who just like attention a lot like most kids

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:51 (one month ago) link

no need to acknowledge your privilege, YMP, anyone on this board who would try and toss that at you given what you're dealing with is a fucking asshole.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:45 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I'm a bit tired of the internet scolds sounding more than a bit like mom reminding you there are kids starving in Africa -- sometimes it's ok to just express your unqualified frustrations

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 17:52 (one month ago) link

I appreciate your considerate replies, evol and man.

But at the same time I can't stop thinking about people who a) aren't working at all or b) can't work from home.

I see a lot of glib "just stay home, mfers, it's not difficult!" stuff from people who haven't appeared to consider how difficult that might be for someone whose family's financial survival depends on e.g., a in-person service-sector job. Not here on this board, but certainly in my social media orbit.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 19:59 (one month ago) link

i have found some of the "stay at home, assholes" msgs come from people who turn out to not have stayed home themselves.

not like, going out partying per se at packed bars, but a few I've known have taken out of town trips or gone to bars. with masks, distancing, etc, but that's kinda why I don't bother lobbying grenades when I know I haven't had a spotless record (even though I largely barely leave the house).

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 21:34 (one month ago) link

and the people who say "Universal Studios should't have reopened", well.....you aren't wrong, but you're also telling my brother he shouldn't have gone to work, and he's been wracked with anxiety of losing his job for months and needs the money.

because we don't have a government that takes care of its people, it's pretty difficult atm.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 21:35 (one month ago) link

theyve just re-locked down the areas near where I live cos we've had a big community outbreak. I barely leave the house anyway but it looks like I'm WFH for at least another month at this rate.

Funny side effect: my long-sight vision has gone to shit because I'm only ever staring at walls/items in my house. I need to sit on the balcony and stare at faraway trees/clouds more or somehting.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 22:50 (one month ago) link

My wfh strategy has involved a lot of slacking off, which is only possible because of my particular role in my organization, but I’m still feeling frustrated because I personally need to feel more involved in my work like I’m engaged in making a difference and changing things for the better (according to me, of course). Skating by on just responding to emails (i.e. only speaking when I’m spoken to) has gotten way the fuck old.

I have a couple things to work on now that should be bigger than that, looking forward to them coming to fruition and being paid attention to by more than just yours truly.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 23:36 (one month ago) link

One side effect of WFH that I did not anticipate was getting used to the constant drone of lawn mowers in our neighborhood. I think between Monday and Friday there is less than five hours per week when there isn't an audible lawnmower running on our block.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 23:57 (one month ago) link

i have found some of the "stay at home, assholes" msgs come from people who turn out to not have stayed home themselves.

not like, going out partying per se at packed bars, but a few I've known have taken out of town trips or gone to bars. with masks, distancing, etc, but that's kinda why I don't bother lobbying grenades when I know I haven't had a spotless record (even though I largely barely leave the house).

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:34 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I saw a great tweet around the beginning of this madness to the effect of "everyone who is slightly less precautious than I am is a science-denying death cultist, and everyone who is slightly more precautious than I am is a virtue-signalling ninny." I try to keep that in mind, though I do find myself rolling my eyes more at the latter group, which is only a reflection of my own anxieties, obviously I would rather be misjudged as being too safe than not safe enough.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:03 (one month ago) link

xp yeah, there is an insane amount of lawn care in the summer if you live in a neighborhood with lawns. i can almost predict it now--today was wednesday, so there's a service that comes at 7:30 am and fires up a bunch of stuff to do a lawn a few houses down.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:10 (one month ago) link

"everyone who is slightly less precautious than I am is a science-denying death cultist, and everyone who is slightly more precautious than I am is a virtue-signalling ninny."

Similarly "everyone driving slower than me is an idiot; everyone driving faster than no is a maniac."

What I like is erotic; what you like is kinky; what THEY like is perverse.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:18 (one month ago) link

*than me

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:18 (one month ago) link

Anybody who doesn’t live in a city full of constant development and renovation can eat my ass about lawncare noise

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:21 (one month ago) link

it's more an observation than a complaint

call all destroyer, Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:23 (one month ago) link

Maybe I should document some more observations then

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:26 (one month ago) link

Tombot how do you eat ass about something

all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:30 (one month ago) link

I’ve never had to tbf

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:47 (one month ago) link

Ask esby

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:47 (one month ago) link

I find lawnmower sounds quite comforting TBH. Dont hear them anymore living in an inner-urban hood with tiny yards. The sound reminds me of childhood summers in the backyard.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:52 (one month ago) link

Also, LADS.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 July 2020 00:52 (one month ago) link

Take sides: lawnmowers versus the air conditioner on the Russian Embassy grounds next door. Bonus: screams from the playground in the embassy compound.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:24 (one month ago) link

"screams" eh.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 2 July 2020 01:27 (one month ago) link

an asshole hedge fund billionaire in texas who was somehow involved in enron convinced my city that they needed a propeller plane to fly in circles all day to take pictures of crimes happening. it makes one revolution every 7 minutes. it's supposed to fly at a greater height than it is. every day there is obnoxious propeller plane noise, all day, but intermittent. zero crimes solved in the several months of pilot (heh) project. oh and it only flies during the day, so this stupid waste of fuel misses most of the real crimes. lawnmowers have never bothered me but this is so, so annoying.

contorted filbert (harbl), Thursday, 2 July 2020 02:06 (one month ago) link

if u wanna be happy when you're mowing the grass
never let a Tombot eat your whole ass

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 July 2020 02:13 (one month ago) link

zero crimes solved in the several months of pilot (heh) project

just wanted to humilitybrag about dealing with the worst of both worlds w/r/t getting both constant development/renovation noise AND lawncare adjacency noises.

my ground-floor studio apartment is strategically located in the corner of an old (for this city, i.e. 1920s) three-story apartment building of tiny 1-bedrooms and studios in an urban neighborhood just across the interstate from downtown, with construction going on right across the street. the building's dumpsters and recycle bins are located three feet from my kitchen window on the north side, and the entry/exit gate to the complex is located three feet from my bedroom window on the east side, directly adjacent to the sidewalk of the street with the construction site on the other side. hella noise every few minutes on both sides. in the summer I basically have to choose between privacy or ventilation, as it heats up pretty quickly with no fencing or awning or vegetation shading the facade, and the ceiling fan can only do so much and is pretty noisy itself (can't have it on while trying to sleep).

I'm not really complaining, it's the cheapest apartment available within a ten-minute walk of my downtown office ($940), and I chose it for that reason, but GODDAMN is it not an office and nowhere near ideal for focusing on spreadsheets and word docs and permit applications and having Microsoft Teams meetings and conference calls for eight hours a day. my upstairs neighbor's 100-year-old hardwood floor is basically one and same as my ceiling and I hear EVERY tiny bit of her contact with it whether or not she wears her clogs (and she always wears them) and she's a hairdresser who's been out of work for the last three months and physically cannot sit still by the sound of it. much cracking and creaking and stomping about, all the time. the resident manager lives nextdoor to me and he's been staying busy with his circular saw and nailgun and hammer on some sort of tiny garden planter project he wants to install in the perpetually shaded narrow space between our wall and the noise-collecting concrete retaining wall between our building and the taller building nextdoor. it's been in progress since Memorial Day, a little noisy bit at a time, four or five feet from my window.

anyway, in addition to all this, our gardeners, the nextdoor building's gardener's, and the other nextdoor building's gardeners all come on their own individual weekdays to trim our respective shubberies with their two-stroke clippers and leafblow all our trash into the street for twenty minutes a day. landscaping is important for a property management company, they want these shitholes looking nice. and then the garbage trucks too, and also the recyclable trucks, can't forget those, they have their own days too. they're always laughing their asses off when they come to wheel the dumpsters out from three feet from my window when I'm having a 12-person Microsoft Teams meeting with all the windows open. I should've known better than to leave them open! suffocating in a 10'x10' box without fresh air is totally cool!

so yeah I like offices. they're good places to work for people like me to who live in squalor. and I've had more than a few conversations with coworkers who are like "ummmmmm yeah I'm loving this working from home situation! in no great rush to get back to the ol' office!!!" and who can blame them, cause they're successful humans who are comfortable in their own homes and can get stuff done there. shoot, my department hosted their quarterly forum online for the first time last month and it featured endless slideshows from the various dept section people showing off their swanky living room workstations. one guy was even douchey enough to share a photo of his laptop perched next to his hottub on his deck at sunset with a frickin cocktail thrown in for good fun. these people are proper people.

I'm only a five minute bike ride from my office so I'm still making trips downtown once or twice a week to get into the office to do stuff I can't do from home on my laptop, printing and hardcopy permit package submittals and whatnot. It's cute though that the department policy as of two months ago is that my remotely-working section head has to do a facetime "screening" with me no more than ten minutes prior to my entering the building where he asks me if I have a fever or a cough or a headache, and I say no, and then says "great, you may enter the building."

the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, 2 July 2020 04:11 (one month ago) link

STOP MOWING UR LAWN U CNUTS

specific fry such as scampo (||||||||), Thursday, 2 July 2020 07:53 (one month ago) link

I live by the port,train tracks,and while my apartment faces away from the very busy road I live on,it is on the corner of the building,so sirens and trucks going by are very loud. I'm inured to it but the other day a student I was talking to on the phone (I work at a university) said it sounded like I was outside lol

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 July 2020 07:59 (one month ago) link

Oh yeah I also have two fans going on constantly (apartment is small and hot)

Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 2 July 2020 07:59 (one month ago) link

so yeah I like offices. they're good places to work for people like me to who live in squalor. and I've had more than a few conversations with coworkers who are like "ummmmmm yeah I'm loving this working from home situation! in no great rush to get back to the ol' office!!!" and who can blame them, cause they're successful humans who are comfortable in their own homes and can get stuff done there.

Yep. I don't miss the bus ride to and from downtown. But I miss the company-paid air conditioning. I miss the fitness center, and not just because of the tension of whether or not I would see Nick, and would he and/or I be in a mood to talk. Working in shorts and a t-shirt is nice, but I miss putting together an outfit that wouldn't be destroyed by the bus trip. (I'm sewing stuff in anticipation of this fall, but who knows if the area will open enough for me to go out and wear these things.)

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Thursday, 2 July 2020 12:51 (one month ago) link

just wanted to humilitybrag about dealing with the worst of both worlds w/r/t getting both constant development/renovation noise AND lawncare adjacency noises.

High 5! I got constant construction noise plus leafblowers and fireworks minus actual lawnmowers

sarahell, Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:16 (one month ago) link

however, I am currently devoid of police sirens and flashbang grenades and news & police helicopters after two straight weeks of it --

sarahell, Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:21 (one month ago) link

though speaking of construction -- when we were on full lockdown -- which meant no construction with the exception of affordable housing -- the neighborhood was eerily quiet, it felt like the suburbs. It also grimly demonstrated that next to no affordable housing was under construction near me ... which is an area where they should be building affordable housing.

sarahell, Thursday, 2 July 2020 17:25 (one month ago) link

that's surprising that residential development would drop off so dramatically like that under a temporary construction moratorium, considering that most new residential developments (at least in major California cities) are required by local ordinance to have at least some of their units be dedicated as "affordable." I guess every city implements their rules different. We're still shovel-ready & shovel-willing down here.

I miss the fitness center, and not just because of the tension of whether or not I would see Nick, and would he and/or I be in a mood to talk

this sounds like some juicy Nick drama that I think we all deserve to know! spill those deets here and now!

the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:01 (one month ago) link

Juicy, no. Tedious, for me at least. He's a classic Washington white collar type, in this case working for a lobbying firm while I work for a Federal contractor. We would cross paths at the fitness center, and sometimes get to chatting. I tried asking him to a free screening of Christmas Vacation during the holidays, but his mother died that very day.

Officially I don't even miss Nick as much as I miss occasionally seeing interest in men's eyes (not that I was ever able to capitalize on any such interest).

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:21 (one month ago) link

Chevy made Christmas Vacation for two reasons and two reasons only: to make more money to buy more cocaine, and to console through laughter those grieving over the loss of a parent. Nick should've known this, and therefore he sucks.

the burrito that defined a generation, Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:31 (one month ago) link

I'm getting server time-outs literally every 15-30 seconds. Like I can't complete a sentence of an email without every one of my apps freezing and glitching out. I assume this is currently the case for all of my coworkers, as well. I still have quite a lot that needs to get done (including, what, six letters that need to be drafted and sent out) before the three-day weekend which, for me, starts in 90 minutes. Oh well!

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:37 (one month ago) link

xpost: Occasionally I bless my fairy godmother (whom I believe to be the late Dorothy Parker) for steering me away from boyfriends who aren't worth the salt in my tears. But sometimes I fear she might also be steering me away from men who might be worth a tumble.

Point of clarification: She died the day of the screening, and as Nick didn't have my contact info, he couldn't get in touch with me until after the holidays.

Also, officially I miss the gym because my back has been hurting.

Life is a banquet and my invitation was lost in the mail (j.lu), Thursday, 2 July 2020 18:43 (one month ago) link

that's surprising that residential development would drop off so dramatically like that under a temporary construction moratorium, considering that most new residential developments (at least in major California cities) are required by local ordinance to have at least some of their units be dedicated as "affordable." I guess every city implements their rules different.

here as well as in San Francisco, what is common is that new developments can either designate that required percentage/amount as affordable OR they can pay additional "impact fees" essentially paying into a City-administered fund that theoretically is used to build affordable housing elsewhere in the City. ... In practice, very little affordable housing does get built and the City is sitting on a bunch of money and builds no affordable housing, and, in addition, the City doesn't even collect from developers the entire amounts of the fees they are obligated to pay, which assumedly, also results in next-to-no affordable housing being built.

sarahell, Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:09 (one month ago) link

Another problem is that the City isn't terribly imaginative when it comes to affordable housing developments in terms of type of units and scale of development. They tend to wait for the perfect big project that checks all the boxes, which haha, rarely happens, rather than commit funds to a larger number of small projects, often involving renovation and/or conversion of existing non-residential structures. These smaller projects tend to be less expensive per unit, to boot.

sarahell, Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:14 (one month ago) link

and now this thread has gone from being about Working From Home to Working On Homes -- sorry

sarahell, Thursday, 2 July 2020 23:16 (one month ago) link

Went to the office today to actually bring my computer home (had been sshing in) and it made me sad! I like the office!

all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 3 July 2020 00:02 (one month ago) link

Yup

Two Spocks Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 July 2020 12:37 (one month ago) link

one of our trainers abruptly quit. that now puts us two below staffing target (we have 5, we need 7). On the plus side, this really reduces likelihood of any imminent layoffs. On the other side, we're in a hiring freeze, and we're headed into our busy season 2 people understaffed. And - he was one of only 3 people (including me) that knew one of our key curriculums. Fortunately, we're training 4 more right now, but this basically means it's going to be back to back classes for the remainder of the year, with zero prep time, and limited time off.

sigh. happy for the paycheck, but we've been at amplifier level 11 since March of this year and it would be nice to have a respite.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:18 (one month ago) link

turns out i'm really bad at this but only when i have a big deadline crunch week

ciderpress, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 18:55 (one month ago) link

im being extremely lazy, my productivity is absolutely in the toilet. I don't give 2 fucks tbh.

might be worth checking the tax statutes where you are as I've seen that I can claim working from home as a tax credit (a percentage of the rent on my apartment, the heating, the electricity, the internet bill, etc.) which I will enjoy doing next tax season

Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 19:06 (one month ago) link

might be worth checking the tax statutes where you are as I've seen that I can claim working from home as a tax credit (a percentage of the rent on my apartment, the heating, the electricity, the internet bill, etc.) which I will enjoy doing next tax season

the Trump tax overhaul bill that got passed in 2017 actually eliminated the long-standing deduction for home office expenses (and other unreimbursed expenses) for employees (that exceed 2% of AGI and if you itemize deductions) that a significant number of people used to take ... some states still allow the deduction and haven't changed to conform to the new tax code. ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 19:14 (one month ago) link


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