outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

that is bullshit, soda. :( is there a teacher's union that can respond, or have you talked to any of the other teachers? making plans for august seems silly, anyway, no matter where you are

the bar thing is crazy, I cannot think of a worse place to have open than indoor bars. I assume outdoor ones are kinda okay?

Also, from an interview with the author of the American Academy of Pediatrics' guidelines, Sean O'Leary:

Q: The guidelines [for reopening] emphasize that teachers and school staff members should stay physically distanced to the greatest extent possible and conduct meetings remotely. But I am hearing from a lot of teachers. Many are, frankly, scared to go back to school before a vaccine is available. A few have told me that they feel that their health is treated as expendable. What’s your message to them?

A: We’re pediatricians. We’re not educators. We don’t want to tread in space where we don’t belong. But what I would say is it depends on the level of risk for the individual person.

Additionally, the 6-foot guideline has been rewritten to 3-feet with children because, um, I really don't know wahy

Q: i'm a teacher. can you please give me advice, as an expert in children's health?
A: listen, i'm an expert in children's health, not a teacher. it's up to you to decide.

There is significant evidence young children are less likely to contract and transmit, I don't think it's crazy for the guidelines to be less strict!

listen, i'm not a small business owner, i'm a bank loan officer. i can't tell you if you'll be approved for a bank loan for your small business or not - that's up to YOU.

has there been a significant outbreak at a school yet?

we had one at our day care, 4 of the teachers got it, all mild cases thankfully. there were only 8-9 kids there but I don't think any of them nor the parents got it. or they did and didn't show any symptoms. actually makes me feel better about sending them back there next month, if the teachers already got it I think the risk for us is lower

"hey, my teacher friends and I were thinking about driving our cars into the ocean. but one of our friends said there was a physical danger to this. can you comment?"

"hey, we're doctors, not teachers. we can't be telling you how to drive your cars."

There is significant evidence young children are less likely to contract and transmit, I don't think it's crazy for the guidelines to be less strict!

'less likely' isn't sufficiently comforting as an adult in a room with 15 elementary students for six hours a day

A number of elementary schools in Paris have been shut down for outbreaks in the last couple weeks since those schools opened again.

the bar thing is crazy, I cannot think of a worse place to have open than indoor bars. I assume outdoor ones are kinda okay?

Sure, as long as no-one does anything that would cause them to need to piss.

emily oster (whose mailing list you should be in if you have kids) has a thing about exactly this this morning:

https://emilyoster.substack.com/p/schools-whats-it-going-to-take

Xpost everybody's got pants

A lot of children (a) breathe near your waist, not near your face, and (b) can't control themselves very well or respect 6-foot distancing

10,109 new cases in FL today. US record is 11,571 new cases (NY, April 15)

Fuck yeah Florida!1

At the height of the rona Italy, on March 21st, clocked 6,553 new cases in one day. Italy has a population of 59m. Florida only has a population of 21m. Their new cases # is staggering.

Not that staggering if you know Florida.

I've not had the pleasure to get to know Florida, this is true...

I mean, a sizable portion of the population has been practically chugging vials of 'rona to troll the libtards, so

the scary thing is that FL has over 4.3 million citizens over the age 65. If left out of control, the death numbers are going to be in six figures for the state.

It's absolutely terrifying. And absolutely unfair to everyone who's given a shit and taken precautions.

Florida is the Italy of America in many ways

genuinely an insult to Italy and Italians the world over

JUST IN: Texas Gov just issued statewide order requiring a mask or face cover in public

— Ana Cabrera (@AnaCabrera) July 2, 2020

brb printing up "Don't Mask With Texas" bumper stickers.

But what about my liberties?

Sad lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UnBAQknLQ

the first time i've seen a state giving specific quarantine instructions to visitors from particular other states - i wondered near the beginning of the pandemic if states might start policing their borders against other states and this seems like a step towards that

https://i.imgur.com/1M33hHF.png

NY and CT also have these instructions as of a couple of days ago. I can't imagine they're tracking people or preventing them from traveling though

NJ too I think

MA too

Might be hard to apply to long distance truck drivers.

I know they are checking license plates at the NY border, fwiw

I was planning on flying from CA to CT in mid July, to Hartford through Dulles. Who will be there to admonish me and track me when I get off the plane? Who will know where I came from? And will United really try to prevent me from traveling home 10 days later, 4 days too soon?

I don't know the answer to these questions but am uneasy about the plan to travel

I’m not going to an airport in 2020 unless godforbid a parent is literally dying

yeah

How in the world can they possibly even pretend to enforce those rules? We're not talking the Canadian border here, any dork can "enter" into PA without, what, papers?

This isn't new. States had NY on the list in late March and early April and NY, NJ, and CT signed a pact a week or two ago to open together and then impose quarantine on FL, TX, and CA.

bar or small restaurant with no one wearing masks >>>>>> airport

Not that I'd visit the latter.

it's also i think a case of what's good for the goose in that some of those states were quarantining against new yorkers a few months ago
what a petty bunch of children lead us

I know they are checking license plates at the NY border

And doing... what?

Pulling people over and telling them to stop and turn around?

I mean, last time I drove into NY (via 95 / NJ Turnpike) there was basically no point at which I was driving less than 55 mph.

And I frequently rent a car for longer trips, with no control of what state plates said car has.

Or if I'm on Amtrak, and buy a ticket to Boston but get out in NYC?

"bar or small restaurant with no one wearing masks >>>>>> airport"

don't agree

bars? tightly enclosed spaces where people are unmasked and shouting and spitting into each other's faces? no

would you be ok indoors in a restaurant with no one wearing masks?

yeah without question an airport would be safer (maybe that’s what alfred meant?). an airplane maybe too, with masks

Based on the following comment the ">" signs meant greater danger. bars greater danger than airports.

https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/07/oregon-state-police-dont-wear-coronavirus-masks-as-they-patronize-corvallis-coffee-shop-despite-governors-order.html

pin a medal on that coffee shop's assistant manager