i don't follow the libertarianism scene, but i've been wondering how those guys have been doing with coronavirus. the appropriate response to coronavirus would seem to run exactly counter to everything their ideology suggests?
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 July 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
from the same essay "Which is exactly what libertarianish conservatives and the hypermasculine deny to justify an every-man-for-himself ethos instead. And as it turns out, radical self-reliance ends where social withdrawal actually begins to be a form of care for others in this pandemic. Thus the white men who have been telling us all along that they are rugged commandos of self-sufficiency who could live alone in the post-apocalyptic woods off what they could hunt with their bare hands suddenly claim they need help right away with their hair."
― Yerac, Monday, 6 July 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
To me, it's less of an actual scene and more of an active ingredient in mainstream Republican attitudes these days. I suspect a lot of these anti-mask people see themselves as vaguely libertarian inasmuch as they can formulate any kind of plausible ideology.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 6 July 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
"It's okay if YOU want to put blackout curtains on YOUR windows. Go ahead and be a prisoner of your fear. Not me. I'M gonna leave all the lights on and the window shades wide open because I'M not afraid of German bombers. And no government can make me!"
― zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 6 July 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
"Why should anyone else's life affect my own??"
*goes out and affects everyone else's life by being near them without a mask*
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 July 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
A weird libertarian acquaintance of mine said this: "I’ve always felt like Primus wrote the line, 'I’d rather regret something I’ve done than something I haven’t done,' for me."
Yeah, you selfish asshole, except that you're not just deciding your own risk tolerance, you're deciding for everyone you're going to breathe near, for the foreseeable future. They didn't get a say in how edgy and risk-tolerant you get to be. H8.
― zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 6 July 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link
further Primus both sucks and didn't write that song but whatever
― zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 6 July 2020 19:58 (three years ago) link
lol
― gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:00 (three years ago) link
primus would suck less if they had released 'Sweat Loaf'
― gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link
LOL @ this thread, try living in the UK where next-to-nobody wears masks or has ever worn masks and it doesn't have anything to do with Masculinity as Radical Selfishness.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link
UK - the ultimate libertarian zone
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:02 (three years ago) link
It's nothing to do with libertarianism and everything to do with the government not advising people to wear masks.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link
yeah i was about to bring up the UK as having the same issue but decided I like it when an ilxor points out that the world is not the US.
― Yerac, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
(was jk about uk)
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link
Most terrible things about the US were invented in the UK, I assumed that was another one.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
oh, she does group Bolsanaro, Putin, Boris J., Trump all together in their handling of the pandemic.
― Yerac, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:10 (three years ago) link
masks compulsory on public transport and in shops (from 10/07) in this part of the UK
― per aspera ad scampo (||||||||), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link
I thought they'd already introduced masks being compulsory on public transport in England but it doesn't look like it judging from the buses passing by me last night.
Boris Johnson and Masculinity as Radical Selfishness, it's a perfect fit!
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link
i kind of want to moonlight as Dr Libertarian and tour the UK, spreading the good news about militant selfishness personal responsibility and making a quick million or two as a keynote speaker for sad gamers in apartment complex laundry rooms. it's all bullshit but then i feel like the UK is ripe for the libertarian message and it would be good for me, financially
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link
xpost, i can't tell what you are attempting but you could read the essay because it's more than the title.
― Yerac, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:20 (three years ago) link
I saw the most bizarre mask related interaction last night that I'm still thinking about today, but not because it was contentious or anything.
Stopped by to pick dinner up from a local place that is doing a really good job about masks, outdoor seating, contactless pick up, etc. They have signs all over the place about masks. While I'm standing there waiting for my turn, this young couple in their early 20s walks in without masks on. The person behind the counter, in a totally chill and friendly way, reaches out to hand them two disposable masks and tells them they need to wear them. They don't argue and start putting the masks on, but one of the couple goes, "Why?". The person at the register says something along the lines of, "well it's one of the recommendations to help stop the spread of coronavirus, for our protection and yours" (clearly something they've had to say more than once since the place has reopened. The girls responds with, "oh really? I had no idea!".
It was totally chill and not at all confrontational, but I was taken aback by how surprised this girl seemed by the whole thing.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
im darryl perryhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ
― per aspera ad scampo (||||||||), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link
ugh, all the jokes about libertarians are way too believable.
― Yerac, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
ok, here's one: a libertarian walks into a bar
"hey everybody! this round is on me!", the libertarian yelled. dozens of people in the bar cheered and raised their glasses to the libertarian as the bartender quickly got to work pouring drinks. "sometimes it's good to give back to the community, and this bar and all of you in it were there for me when i was going through some really hard times recently. so cheers to you, everyone, and thank you. enjoy your drink!"
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link
actually, dammit, that one's too believable because sometimes libertarians do charitable things, but only when it directly benefits themselves and they personally know the people involved.
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:29 (three years ago) link
oh i was thinking about the memes that libertarians really just want to do drugs and have sex with children with no consequence.
― Yerac, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link
i can't tell what you are attempting but you could read the essay because it's more than the title.
I'm sure it is just noting that, if nothing else, the title fits Boris Johnson to a tee.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 6 July 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link
ah. sorry, i thought you were just shitting all over the idea.
― Yerac, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:41 (three years ago) link
isn't that "Satan" by Orbital
― frogbs, Monday, 6 July 2020 20:43 (three years ago) link
Linvoy Primus lol
― Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 6 July 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link
which was taken from Sweat Loaf by Butthole Surfers
xp
― nate woolls, Monday, 6 July 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
― Yerac, Monday, July 6, 2020 4:30 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
Not a joke! Ime Gen-X libertarians in the 90s were just republicans that smoked too much pot and thought they were "too smart" to join a political party.
― Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Monday, 6 July 2020 22:14 (three years ago) link
Sure I've heard the spice girls say itGoogle says it's from Lucille Ball
― kinder, Monday, 6 July 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
NYT on aerosolization:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/health/coronavirus-airborne-aerosols.html
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 6 July 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
Keisha Bottoms has Covid.
― Darin, Monday, 6 July 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link
I mean, c'mon, even the Red Hot Chili Peppers knew enough to credit the Surfers:
10 years ago in HollywoodWe did some goodAnd we did some real bad stuffBut the Butt-hole Surfers saidIt's better to regret something you didThan something you didn't do
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 July 2020 22:38 (three years ago) link
In case it hasn't been posted yet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZgDsyTbFCo
― Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link
this airborne thing is infuriating because it's being presented (via headlines at least) as though this is new news, when in fact, everyone already fucking knows this, it's why people should wear masks. I agree though that the CDC at least muffed it either intentionally (because they didn't want to freak people out and have everyone buy up the PPE) or via stupidity (because of course).
― akm, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:18 (three years ago) link
but I really don't know why 'airborne' is so much scarier to people than everything else about the virus. that doesn't mean it's an airborne toxic event hovering over the population and floating from suburb to suburb.
― akm, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:19 (three years ago) link
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/entertainment/tollywood/230320/clapping-will-have-magical-effects-residents-feel.html
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:25 (three years ago) link
isn't this exactly what we were arguing about yesterday?
the important aspect isn't whether it is new news or not, but rather how it guides policy and safety measures, which in many cases are lagging the general consensus.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link
I really don't know why 'airborne' is so much scarier to people than everything else about the virus.
They say that a person can catch the measles just by entering a room that an infected person walked through an hour earlier. COVID-19 isn't as infectious as measles, but that sort of invisible presence whenever you enter a public space can be rather unnerving. Community spread, where people become ill with no known contact with another ill person, accounts for a sizeable portion of new COVID-19 cases. Wearing a (non-N95) mask in enclosed public spaces is unlikely to prevent your becoming infected from someone else.
If those facts don't make you a bit uneasy when you enter enclosed public space, it may be because you don't quite appreciate their import.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:39 (three years ago) link
also we should be keeping in mind this is not the same strain we were discussing when originally debating all these measures—it's *more* contagious
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link
"but I really don't know why 'airborne' is so much scarier to people than everything else about the virus"
it's pretty fucking scary
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:47 (three years ago) link
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:50 (three years ago) link
would be interesting to find out what the NYT has to say about this
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
sorry, I see morbs already posted that
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
:)
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
Here’s the latest.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link
any thoughts on this? paywalled for me.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/
Last week, Spanish virologists announced that they had found traces of the disease in samples of waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before coronavirus was seen in China.
Italian scientists have also found evidence of coronavirus in sewage samples in Milan and Turin in mid-December, many weeks before the first case was detected, while experts have found evidence of traces in Brazil in November....
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link