also we should be keeping in mind this is not the same strain we were discussing when originally debating all these measures—it's *more* contagious
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link
"but I really don't know why 'airborne' is so much scarier to people than everything else about the virus"
it's pretty fucking scary
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:47 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/health/coronavirus-airborne-aerosols.html
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:50 (three years ago) link
would be interesting to find out what the NYT has to say about this
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 6 July 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
sorry, I see morbs already posted that
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:56 (three years ago) link
:)
― Dan S, Monday, 6 July 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
Here’s the latest.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:02 (three years ago) link
any thoughts on this? paywalled for me.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/07/05/covid-19-may-not-have-originated-china-elsewhere-emerged-asia/
Last week, Spanish virologists announced that they had found traces of the disease in samples of waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before coronavirus was seen in China.
Italian scientists have also found evidence of coronavirus in sewage samples in Milan and Turin in mid-December, many weeks before the first case was detected, while experts have found evidence of traces in Brazil in November....
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
"traces" sounds like fragments of genetic material having covid signatures, since a complete virus is not much more than genetic material packaged so that it can plug into receptors on a cell's surface and gain entry. seems like it would be difficult to make an airtight identification.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:29 (three years ago) link
not helpful, as usual
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:33 (three years ago) link
you could subscribe and get something more helpful. possibly.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:37 (three years ago) link
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 00:41 (three years ago) link
also we should be keeping in mind this is not the same strain we were discussing when originally debating all these measures—it's *more* contagiousIt is the same though, the more contagious strain is the one that has been active in the US this whole time.
― gnarled and turbid sinuses (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link
The study, published in the journal Cell, confirms earlier work suggesting the mutation had made the new variant of virus more common. The researchers call the new mutation G614, and they show that it has almost completely replaced the first version to spread in Europe and the US, one called D614.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/health/coronavirus-mutation-spread-study/index.html
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link
cancelled my travel plans for July, not sure when I will travel again
― Dan S, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link
fragments of genetic material having covid signatures
any covidvirus would have “covid signatures” which is the most hand-wavey thing, they specifically said covid-19
the version of the article I found (paywall, etc) said it was a not-yet-reviewed single study, which is suspect. seems kind of spurious until peer review so I’m skeptical but the guess that they found *a* covidvirus is as likely as contaminated or misdated samples
― solo scampito (mh), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link
piece of shit
https://www.wtxl.com/news/local-news/fl-education-commissioner-requires-all-florida-school-districts-to-reopen-campuses-in-august
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 04:17 (three years ago) link
any covidvirus would have “covid signatures"
sorry, I was employing shorthand, in the same way the journalist writing the news story said:
Italian scientists have also found evidence of coronavirus in sewage samples
instead of saying specifically COVD-19 or SARS-CoV-2. These days there is only one coronavirus of consuming public interest and such shorthand gets used constantly by non-scientists such as myself. I apologize for "hand waving".
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 04:21 (three years ago) link
xp
Net approval for governor’s handling of COVID-19Whitmer (MI) +18Cooper (NC) +10Evers (WI) +10Wolf (PA) +6DeSantis (FL) -6Ducey (AZ) -26https://t.co/FC2GkgBVpA pic.twitter.com/SLlPllfkQc— Change Research (@ChangePolls) July 4, 2020
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 04:22 (three years ago) link
xp that is helpful, thank you, good call
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 05:13 (three years ago) link
seriously starting to despair based on the evidence that 1) antibodies don't stay in your system very long, 2) asymptomatic people still seem to develop lung damage and 3) a vaccine may not be all that effective
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link
It sounds like you’re reading too much. Try learning less for a while.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link
Like you know enough not to go to the bar, tune it out for a bit.
yeah was all good to just stay in and shut it down for a few months but school is starting & my wife has to go back to work, something's gotta give here
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link
there seems to be a lot of optimism about a vaccine in the scientific community, idk where you're seeing that the vaccine won't be effective.
it seems likely that the eventual covid vaccine will be more similar to a flu vaccine than an MMR vaccine, offering immunity for a short time but needing regular boosters. we're gonna get used to hearing 'get your rona shot' at seasonally appropriate times.
― ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link
The thing about antibodies not staying in the system for long appears to be for very mild or asymptomatic cases and from what I can see it's disputed. We simply don't know enough yet.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
Always bear in mind that the median value of any single peer reviewed scientific study is zero
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link
Yeah, I gotta say that stepping back from reading every article and poring over the data daily has done wonders for my not freaking out over things. Do I feel "better"? I don't know. But the bouts of hopelessness are spacing further and further apart.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
yea idk it might just be I'm absorbing info from headlines which are increasingly pessimistic
just frustrated b/c things are really gonna hit the fan soon. I don't want to send my kid to school. There have been outbreaks in the neighborhood. one of my neighbors (who is 41) was hospitalized for over a week and nearly hit the ventilator. four of our day care teachers caught it. nobody here is taking any precautions, you see the occasional mask but that's it. my friends and family are starting to get frustrated with us cuz we don't wanna do anything. it just sucks
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
friend of mine in the atl region is thinking of having his high-school-aged kids take the year off because it's going to be so fucked.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
all this talk about anti-bodies where is the pro-body community
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
dude, trump admin is hella pro-bodies
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxkQXK0kRd0
― Lipstick O.G. (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link
"self-inflicted wound" doesn't seem like the right phrase - the thousands of people who died didn't choose that policy
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
This doesn’t bode well
It's not enough to crush the virus once. You have to keep crushing it. You have to remain vigilant.Look at Israel. After doing a great job during the first wave, it tried to reopen too fast, and now its outbreak, in per capita terms, isn't far behind ours. pic.twitter.com/9zNbnQjgqJ— Matt O'Brien (@ObsoleteDogma) July 7, 2020
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link
Yes, I was just reading about Israel, I felt they were getting a bit too cocky there.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link
IMO cockiness is exactly what's called for here. You gotta show COVID who's boss. I mean, are we gonna let ourselves be pushed around and barred from eating in restaurants by something as small as a virus? Like fun we are.
― Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link
I'm guessing New York is the bellwether here, given the severity of the outbreak there? It looks like the peak has past there but if it starts to climb rapidly again it means we're basically all fucked, it's either keep everything in stasis for an indefinite amount of time or risk losing control of the virus altogether.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
Also apparently parts of Italy have reopened clubs again? That seems insane.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:20 (three years ago) link
It looks like the peak has past there but if it starts to climb rapidly again it means we're basically all fucked
if it starts to climb rapidly again it will be largely due to the containment strategies NY puts in place (or doesn't put in place). rapid rises aren't inevitable - they're the result of public policy decisions and people deciding to get serious and wear a mask and be safe, or not.
― time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link
plenty of governments could be doing much better, but i don't think there's a ton of evidence yet for that last sentence
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link
I don't get the impression that New York is a closed ecosystem - it would have to bubble with parts of New Jersey for a start.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
let's just kill everybody within 24 hours of a positive COVID test, that should get rid of it
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:10 (three years ago) link
actually delete that post, GOP politicians might see it and adopt it
more evidence of virus involvement in circulatory-related effects, specifically the coagulation process:
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-07-complications-covid-von-willebrand-factor.html
― sleeve, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link
Serbs storm parliament after virus lockdown announced
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link
Guess what? Another asshole head of state is implicated.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 00:18 (three years ago) link
BREAKING: Dozens of Florida hospitals have no available intensive care units, according according to data released Tuesday afternoon by the state. ICU beds are at capacity at 54 hospitals across 25 counties and 30 hospitals reported that their units were more than 90% full.— Daniel Uhlfelder (@DWUhlfelderLaw) July 7, 2020
― stet, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:03 (three years ago) link
really would like to know which ones, esp with my father....
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:05 (three years ago) link