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I guess the exception is a business that can be gotten off the ground with only your own unpaid labor (or you and your partner) or whatever, and then you work a second job to pay for your food and housing. This is the ethic our society lionizes.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, July 6, 2020 10:52 AM (yesterday)

uh, not really? or, it only "lionizes" it if you are successful and if your business is of a certain category? I certainly didn't feel "lionized" by society when I and my (former) partner did this. Conversely, I feel like our society prizes "rising through the ranks" more than any sort of DIY type ethos that is more consistent with starting your own business. It definitely values results more than process.

Though, it could very well be that we might be more attuned to when "the other" is valued, as opposed to "oneself."

like maybe they don't think "exploit" but they honestly think "if I have to pay people more my business will fail!" and it's like fuck you it should fail if you can't succeed while paying people enough to live and thrive in the city they work in

― all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, July 6, 2020 10:39 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

my opinions on small business owners are on the record though

― all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, July 6, 2020 10:40 AM (yesterday)

apparently we can't public policy our way out of dicks existing on ilx either -- so ... I am going to try and not take this personally, and go super aggro on you, but your smarmy shtick is really grating, in general. It just reeks of white boi privilege and being like ... 25 years old ... and fear. Like, you strike me as someone is who afraid to risk anything real, but are happy to judge other people who do. And a lot of the time those risks come with a lot of personal challenges, that sometimes ends up making someone do things they regret, or behave towards others in an unethical way ... but ideally (and actually many times) it leads to personal growth and change and learning from those mistakes. ... I am talking about small business owners, mainly -- not quite ready to apply that to cops that kill people, though I guess we all draw the line somewhere.

Otfm. I don't know if Silby's hatred of small businesses means they prefer big businesses or not? You know, the ones who actually make squeezing out employees 'store policy' and a big part of their growth/$$$ model? Or do they prefer no businesses at all?

another thing that I've seen play out is small business owners being more responsive to being called out for things and changing business practices to be more equitable, whereas big business and government tend to make token gestures or take out ads or whatever, and then it's back to business as usual.

like, I am not arguing that all small business owners are good people. some actually are good people and do the right thing almost all the time, and they are like saints. the majority will make mistakes, and some of them, when called out on them, will be receptive to change and become better people.

maybe it's my startup experience talking but ime small business owners are generally tyrants and cranks, their own type of evil distinct from major CEOs or whatever

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i know you did not intend it, but now I have snippets of songs from Joseph and the Motherfucking Technicolor Dreamcoat stuck in head

lol...I've actually been in that musical twice.

may it be relegated to the ashheap of musical theater history

my personal experience working for small business owners: first was a narcissist with cult-leader aspirations (also my boyfriend haha!), second was a libertarian boomer chauvinist who expected everyone to work as hard as he did for $15 / hour (said libertarian notably worked for years in the national park service and presumably had great benefits because of it), third was for my brother in his fintech startup, basically a charity position and i got treated with kid gloves until i got laid off. i'm now working for the state and it's mellow so i'm feeling pretty good about larger bureaucracies atm.

my experience working for small businesses has not, overall, left me with a lot of respect for small business owners as a class. i am not inclined to elucidate further on a public forum.

take any group of many thousands of people and you will find examples of the most wonderful and worst human beings

except in eminence, MO. there you will find nothing but the worst

small business owners and big business owners often gravitate towards the horrible, it's just easier to be discreet terrible when you're a big publicly traded company and ergo have an HR you can 'blame'

Or do they prefer no businesses at all?

― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:09 AM (two hours ago)

well,

not a conservative belief though

anyway I've resolved not to get in fights on ilx during business hours after what happened in March so namaste

How about busy-ness.

I am going to try and not take this personally, and go super aggro on you, but your smarmy shtick is really grating, in general. It just reeks of white boi privilege and being like ... 25 years old ... and fear. Like, you strike me as someone is who afraid to risk anything real, but are happy to judge other people who do.

love this extremely pompous bad post, esp the ditumish "sorry you're not brave" bit. this site is truly joyless, our time would be better spent going back to crying about what toxic pieces of shit we are

Have you, ahem, seen some of the invective hurled by the person those comments were made towards during the last few months?

sarahell's comments didn't just occur in a vacuum.

(I'm not anti-silby or anything, just saying silby was doing a "small business owners are scum of the earth" type spiel that irked several actual business owner ilxors not all that long ago in a separate thread, so some of that probably factors in here).

i don't understand treating "small business owners" as a single category. it doesn't make any sense.

please buy my meat pies

idgi either, perhaps because I know quite a few of them who don't fit the mold being proposed here.

I get that there are groups that deserve collective scorn even if there are exceptions who prove the rule, I just don't get why small business owners are "it", per se. which isn't to deny anybody's bad experiences with small business owners, it's just....idk why treating them like a homogeneous entity helps anything really.

absolute idealism births absolute value systems
please, they're lovely pies and i have an hbo max subscription to keep up

UCB: Steven Pinker should continue to be a Fellow of the Linguistics Society of America

However I will pair my UCB with the Cool Left Belief that it is ridiculous to consider the UCB in any way a transgressive, illicit, or god-help-me "brave" belief to hold or to express

i played one of Joseph's brothers in that musical ... there were four other cis-females who played brothers, but i was the only one with boobs ... i think i had 4 solo lines ??? I think one was "we are ill"

more like two over-hyped exemplars of privilege. ppl should stop worshipping lucier and give credit to the first early humans who felt a transcendental tranquility as they contemplated their mortality and the limits of their self as they listened to the echoes of their voice bouncing off the rocks of the great rift valley

― rumpy riser (ogmor), Sunday, June 14, 2020 8:56 AM (three weeks ago)

i love this extremely pompous bad post of yours! Glad we can mutually appreciate each other!

I'm touched you went to the trouble of digging it out, sorry if you had to scroll through too much uk politics content

i also scrolled through a number of posts about marxism and the left as well that I thought were quite good, actually ... and your posts on the keeping up with new music thread were quite un-pompous

also Gucci Gucci is one of my fave songs as well

*munches an apple*

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silby is frankly a master at making ppl disgrace themselves talking down to him & meeting his flippancy with serious scorn, but the personal rubbish is unnecessary and unhealthy for all concerned (don't you think ilx works better when we don't have to hear what people think they really think of each other?) including the reader, who is so very tired

i for one could generally use a nap

lol I come from a long line of small business owners and I’m dying at the thought of stanning for them as a class?! Like I’ve worked for other small businesses and they absolutely do play the “sorry we can’t pay you more” tune while squeezing you for everything you’re worth...there’s no noble way to do wage theft.

xxp - uh, if you found my post disgraceful, then that's on you. silby is so far from a master, it is sad ... it really is ... otoh, most of the true masters of those things you mention appear to be sociopaths and have been banned and/or quit ilx. silby is a smug child that will grow up to be a self-loathing middle aged person still waiting on the revolution ... or develop more nuanced beliefs based on actual lived experiences of other people whom they will likely encounter over time.

Why do we have to do anything with small business people as a class?

nah it wasn’t just him.

Like have we just accepted they're a monolith or

you’d probably want to read my post again before projecting the argument you want to be responding to.

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Fraudulent emoji I can’t really whistle

silby's great, would prefer their perspective to many cis shitheads who will post here forever

I can only whistle by blowing out, not breathing in. And the only tune I can do is Alpha Beta Gaga.

I think the average job (at least in the states) is a garbage place to work, why add "small" in front

Neanderthal -- which roles did you play in Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat?

I ain't rereading shit guac