Has Keith Haring aged well?

Fair enough!

I will also say that though I haven't seen it since it was released on DVD, I do remember Before Night Falls being a rather beautiful film.

My fave bit of Schnabel narcissism is the completely superfluous scene in his Basquiat movie where Gary Oldman depicts the great J Schnabel as an enigmatic genius imparting some of his hard won wisdom onto the novice artist!

Yes his cameo in that was nauseating. when Schnabel left Mary Boone for Castelli, Basquiat allegedly told her, "don't worry Mary, I'm going to be a much more famous artist than Julian" and he was right.

Schnabel and Haring not really comparable anyway imo, or even Basquiat and Haring. There's a more interesting comparison to be drawn between Haring and someone like Barbara kruger.

for me the lasting groove was all about the statue of liberty painting filled with kids chaos.
for all of keiths issues, his heart was clearly in the right place.
i loved the documentary.
so, question, other than duck rock, which other albums featured his art ?

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I don't think of Basquiat's work as belonging to the 80's in my own stupid uncultured mind, not in any kind of serious art history theory sense. Just in the way I appreciate it's qualities - it reminds me of some of the great abstract expressionists of the painters of the 50's in some ways I can't really express atm. But I would categorically state he is deffo classic and a great painter!

i like the simplicity of things like the baby and the wolf, but also the huge labyrinthine things that he did (like the pop shop up there)

statue of liberty was great, espech the guy finding his old art on it, and the last baby was sad / touching. but the other thing that'll stick with me was the toilet mural.

I was at the opening of the pop shop. Maybe 11 or so years old. Shot by a bbc reporter and used in an old documentary that’s somewhere on YouTube. You can see me saying “I like his art, I thinks it really cool”.

11 year old children always are the best art critics tbf!

someone please find the dan s video footage for the ilX archive.
yeah, the final baby and epic toilet mural were definitely special moments.

Lived a couple blocks from the pop shop when I was in college. LOVE Haring. Will absolutely watch this.

https://www.discogs.com/artist/1579623-Keith-Haring?type=Credits&subtype=Visual&filter_anv=0

What is Haring's legacy, as far as direct influence on other artists? There were a few obvious imitators with little to offer. New Yorkers would remember De La Vega, a milquetoast street artist whose banal platitudes written in chalk on the pavement seemed to greet you outside every busy subway station. He even opened his own vague approximation of the Pop Shop in Spanish Harlem and, later, the East Village. De La Vega's line struck a more subdued tone than the electric buzz of Haring and his main character felt most at home in a goldfish bowl. He gave a talk at my school dressed as Zoro and was duly and hilariously eviscerated by teenage kids with considerably more to offer during the Q&A.

There's an episode of Doug where he has to do a painting for art class, and it gets ruined by his dog... but the teacher totally loves it and enters it in a student art competition! The judge, a VERY FAMOUS ARTIST, was named Werner Schnozel- which I realized years later is a play on Julian Schnabel and weiner schnitzel. Idk if the charachter was based on Schnabel or just the name, there is plausible deniability but he was an obnoxious narcissist (with a big nose, natch).

https://youtu.be/GPlzHR_WyVA?t=797

I'm at 13:45

excellent stuff - and you were not wrong ..

Has dan seltzer aged well? 8)

(argh, spelling, sorry)

Nope

I don't think of Basquiat's work as belonging to the 80's in my own stupid uncultured mind, not in any kind of serious art history theory sense. Just in the way I appreciate it's qualities - it reminds me of some of the great abstract expressionists of the painters of the 50's in some ways I can't really express atm. But I would categorically state he is deffo classic and a great painter!

― calzino, Wednesday, July 8, 2020 7:39 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this is interesting Calz- thinking about this a little and a couple of similar artists might be Cy Twombly or Philip Guston perhaps? Not "classic" abstract expressionists but adjacent I suppose

I love Philip Guston and haven't thought about him much for a while but as I get older and more fucked up I can relate to a lot of his work! I think his early stuff was maybe a not very strong and distinctive sort of abstract expressionism, but when he found his artistic voice or whatever you want to call it, like you say something in its DNA is AE or its adjacent. I'm trying not to talk absolute bollox and look foolish here because some ilxers are probably art tutors or students etc!

well anyway fuck it all opinions are amateur really

yeah I'm an amateur ab ex fan too, they just seem visually similar to me is all! probably Haring knew all about those guys, you could hardly avoid them if you were an NYC art world person I guess?

I wonder what kind of art Haring would have created if he grew up in Scunthorpe!

I almost ended up on a YTS signpainting job with the local council. Should have stuck to it, could have been a contender etc!

I went to HS and college where Haring grew up and it's always so weird that he came from there.

yeah he sort of does come from the US version of Scunthorpe

Is Scunthorpe rural, conservative, and full of Mennonites?

northern shithole, formerly a steeltown not so much of that now, and full of gobshites who probably do vote conservative

an unfashionable provincial dump basically!

probably more like Warhol's Pittsburgh

I really liked the costumes Haring made for Grace Jones, especially the dress for her Roseland Ballroom performance New Year's Eve 1987

I don't think of Basquiat's work as belonging to the 80's in my own stupid uncultured mind, not in any kind of serious art history theory sense. Just in the way I appreciate it's qualities - it reminds me of some of the great abstract expressionists of the painters of the 50's in some ways I can't really express atm. But I would categorically state he is deffo classic and a great painter!

― calzino, Wednesday, July 8, 2020 7:39 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

this is interesting Calz- thinking about this a little and a couple of similar artists might be Cy Twombly or Philip Guston perhaps? Not "classic" abstract expressionists but adjacent I suppose

― Neil S, Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:28 AM (fifteen hours ago)

Calzino - i think this is absolutely spot on fwiw, you're right to place him in that tradition imo and it's probably what he was reacting to in some way, even going back to German expressionism. It's evident enough in the emphasis on "gesture" in Basqiat's stuff, probably. But maybe even more so in all the introspective chaos.

With Twombly, there's also the abrasive line, of course- and you see that the art of skateboarders like Neck Face and Ed Templeton, and maybe going back to the Germans.

There's a lot of Guston in someone like Carroll Dunham

Fandom is not a profession!

You have confidence in your judgements, so might as well trust your eye.

i love haring both as a designer and an artist

the radiant baby

love Basquiat's art but never considered him an abstract expressionist, he's much closer to Haring

Haring's art seems connected to Burroughs to me

Haring, Twombly, Basquiat, Dunham are great, but Guston is the greatest of them all

Love Twombly and Basquiat...don't really get the Dunham thing, even though I technically know him, have had dinner with him, etc. He's a nice guy. His art leaves me a little cold.

https://i.imgur.com/GdtCRU7.jpg

^^ Strange corona virus related graffiti art spotted in Portobello Road yesterday...

Turing patterns sometimes look like Keith Haring art:

https://teamhoudini.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/turing-pattern.jpg