not all pontoon owners are douchebags, but many douchebags are pontoon owners
except my dad’s coworker Gary. Gary owns a cigarette boat that he uses in the Ozarks. mega-douchebag.
― solo scampito (mh), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
where did Neanderthal go ... he probably has met the actual Rick from Orlando!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
Most Orlando business owners are named Deke and will probably be cancelled by next week.
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
my dad’s name is Rick and he is a small business owner
― solo scampito (mh), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:19 (three years ago) link
Orlando actually has a ton of shitty Trump gun humping dickflap owners running the bars here. Except for the downtown Irish pub
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:20 (three years ago) link
xp - is he never gonna give you up?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:20 (three years ago) link
One of whom took over a struggling bar that my friend had karaoke DJed at for 20+ years and they fired her so they could hire some young people with illegal bootleg karaoke files that would accept less money
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:21 (three years ago) link
I’m still relatively glad my friend didn’t buy a small town bar last year, for so, so many reasons
― solo scampito (mh), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link
a friend of mine is a member of a worker-owned co-op restaurant and bar ... it has drama and problems
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:25 (three years ago) link
but nowhere near as bad as the one a few blocks up that was owned by a pedophile who fled Minnesota for here and then fled the country ... that place finally closed
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
but my friend's place hosted events for a leftist magazine which subsequently shut down after one of the editors was called out as a rapist
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link
the magazine not the bar ... but they got called out for being/having been aligned with the magazine and the rapist
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link
wait weren't we talking about wolf erotica?
― DJI, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:33 (three years ago) link
i feel like the ultimate uncool conservative belief is that Rick from Orlando is actually a great guy ... but we can go back to wolf erotica if you want
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:41 (three years ago) link
sarahell at 5:26 8 Jul 20but nowhere near as bad as the one a few blocks up that was owned by a pedophile who fled Minnesota for here and then fled the country ... that place finally closedgod, literal fucking demon that guy
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link
I have a lot of Rick's from my small town that I grew up in, some are good and some are bad
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
i still can't believe he had the audacity, as a convicted pedophile, to name his bar "Small Wonder" -- like ... whoa dude.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:44 (three years ago) link
I know a Rick that pumped a lot of money into restoring an old abandoned gridiron so that it could host a youth flag football tournament last May that was looking for a new home.
they adorned it Rick's Spring Field
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:50 (three years ago) link
ooooooooooooh!!!!!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
didn't know that Small Wonder detail, jfc
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 22:59 (three years ago) link
personally offended by yerac's choice of hypothetical
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 9 July 2020 01:58 (three years ago) link
I take no position on wolf erotica but I assume most people come by their hate and distrust of small business owners as a class (if not necessarily all of them as individuals) honestly, such as by working for a bunch of them. I know I did!
― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 9 July 2020 02:06 (three years ago) link
A friend who I’ve not seen in years is a real anarchist on IG yet also says he will ruin any business if he finds out that they don’t have Narcan on site. He also believes that he deserves the health insurance that public school teachers receive now that he has to home school his kid. Am I out of my mind?
― Yelploaf, Thursday, 9 July 2020 02:41 (three years ago) link
Not sure how you being out of your mind has anything to do with your acquaintance’s pretty normal opinions.
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Thursday, 9 July 2020 02:52 (three years ago) link
In the context of revealing my uncool conservative beliefs I think he’s completely wrong.
― Yelploaf, Thursday, 9 July 2020 02:54 (three years ago) link
nobody is “homeschooling”. what parents are doing could be charitably described as “holding on for dear life”. that said, everyone deserves good health insurance.
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 July 2020 07:53 (three years ago) link
Everyone deserves good health insurance
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 9 July 2020 13:05 (three years ago) link
-Peter, Paul, and Mary
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 14:46 (three years ago) link
and this is another issue with the community democratically deciding things -- and it gets into the identity politics stuff that a lot of leftists struggle with. ... let's say there are members of the community that would really like more diversity in the wolf erotica produced -- wolves that aren't white and grey, wolf erotica that isn't heteronormative or that is predominantly about wolfpenis being dominant ... well the majority of the community might be just fine with the current wolf erotica. And the current producers of the wolf erotica aren't that good at or comfortable with creating more diverse wolf erotica ... do we redistribute resources in order to produce more diverse wolf erotica and train queer-friendly wolf erotica producers in the art of wolf erotica production, even if that means a reduction in the quantity or quality of wolf erotica produced overall?
― sarahell
at what point, you mean, is the responsibility of the majority to de-marginalize the subaltern fulfilled? needs to be done on a case by case basis, frankly. you can't systematize it, can't construct some Grand Unified Theory of wolf erotica that can cover every conceivable case.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 July 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link
i guess this as clear a signal as i'm every gonna get that it is finally the time unveil my wolf erotica theory
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link
motion that you guys shorten this phrase to "werotica"
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 July 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
dang, werotica already taken, and it redirects nudetube
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link
lycangrope
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
loborotica? or is that toohttp://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYuqZp4CIAAMGQR.jpg
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
slovenia was once under socialist teeth
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link
could probably file all the wolf erotica under omegaverse since there is already a market structure in place.
― Yerac, Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
I mean, who could resist this
https://assets.realclear.com/images/41/414189.jpg
― LinkedIn Park (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 July 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
blitzerotica
― LinkedIn Park (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 July 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link
Uncool conservative belief: the more I decipher this, the less I wish I had
so here are some thoughts about "online discourse" / "free speech"something that continues to be chronically under-examined is that speech itself has been radically transformed through the displacement and fragmentation of traditional subjectivity, the fracturing / proliferation of discursive methods, and an almost total lack of clarity of what we mean by "public" in terms of where, exactly, speech acts occur. our increasing inter-connectedness and the rapid transmission of information mask a deeply dehumanizing estrangement. our notions of liberty and self-determination are increasingly unhelpful, and not merely because we've learned to be complicit in de-historicizing and mythologizing eighteenth-century ideology. it's also because the majority of our conversations — and in the case of some, the majority of lived experience — occur online, in commons which were long ago enclosed; the reasons for our existence there, and what we may have to say, are largely irrelevant to the people who facilitate our interactions. what it means to stick up for our "values" and fight for "liberty" is, in this sense, an increasingly fraught problem: every step forward entails further entrenchment in a dizzying entanglement of permissions and prohibitions, asymmetrical power relations, new and hidden modes of subjugation and coercion — all while we pretend that our online personas and statements merely refer back to a world which in fact longer exists.it's worth remembering re: social media platforms that the user experience itself is designed to emphasize and reinforce precisely those aspects of our personality / humanity that devalue contemplation, empathy, even honesty. they replicate patterns of behavior that ensure continued engagement, then monitor those behaviors and sell the data to people who further manipulate us. this is the central power dynamic of almost all online discourse. meanwhile free speech, and the broader notion of liberalism, aren't just ideas; it's ideology and a continually reiterated (and updated) foundational myth with a history fraught with racism and violent subjugation that continue to inform and / or preclude, at a structural level, the very possibilities for speech and community.the unifying aspect of liberal speech is hysteria, the continual need to reiterate the delusion that favored institutions and positions of leadership are not largely symbolic. the very notion of a culture war seeks to affirm this, to displace our energy into an arena where nothing has any real political consequence. even purportedly leftist notions of intersectionality and "centering" e.g. black or trans voices seem to fail to take into account a basic psycho-political geography, as if a recognition of problematic elements is sufficient for their removal and some sort of nebulous substitution of more humane models for radical liberation and solidarity. what's ignored is that we've been taught, and encouraged, to regard increased visibility as a concomitant component of social and political progress. the commodification and endless replication / dispersion of categories of identity reinforces the notion that the real battleground is the sphere of legislation, court rulings, and other mechanisms of power that only ever seem to replicate the same mechanisms of repression that we ought to seek to undermine, bypass, and ultimately overcome through collective political destabilization.while recognizing the importance of language for projects of self-determination — for the affirmation of underrepresented categories and for a sincere fight to craft a world in which our differential existences can be lived in hospitable conditions — do we not wish to consider that the conversations which are most amplified are almost always re-framed as projects which, in some way, "complete" a mythical project of liberation that was flawed, incomplete, but for some reason still worth sticking up for ? why do we continue to fetishize outmoded conceptualizations of liberation while seemingly ignoring the fact that this sort of discourse is inherently a source of violence itself ? and finally, how do we re-claim political autonomy when our avenues of "self-expression" have been cynically marginalized and perverted in such a way that dissent only ever entails a new, novel category for marketing the same old bullshit ?these thoughts are not complete or fully thought through — just wanted to raise some questions i haven't heard being asked elsewhere. i'm open to suggestions for further reading.― budo jeru, Friday, 10 July 2020 23:34 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
something that continues to be chronically under-examined is that speech itself has been radically transformed through the displacement and fragmentation of traditional subjectivity, the fracturing / proliferation of discursive methods, and an almost total lack of clarity of what we mean by "public" in terms of where, exactly, speech acts occur. our increasing inter-connectedness and the rapid transmission of information mask a deeply dehumanizing estrangement. our notions of liberty and self-determination are increasingly unhelpful, and not merely because we've learned to be complicit in de-historicizing and mythologizing eighteenth-century ideology. it's also because the majority of our conversations — and in the case of some, the majority of lived experience — occur online, in commons which were long ago enclosed; the reasons for our existence there, and what we may have to say, are largely irrelevant to the people who facilitate our interactions. what it means to stick up for our "values" and fight for "liberty" is, in this sense, an increasingly fraught problem: every step forward entails further entrenchment in a dizzying entanglement of permissions and prohibitions, asymmetrical power relations, new and hidden modes of subjugation and coercion — all while we pretend that our online personas and statements merely refer back to a world which in fact longer exists.
it's worth remembering re: social media platforms that the user experience itself is designed to emphasize and reinforce precisely those aspects of our personality / humanity that devalue contemplation, empathy, even honesty. they replicate patterns of behavior that ensure continued engagement, then monitor those behaviors and sell the data to people who further manipulate us. this is the central power dynamic of almost all online discourse. meanwhile free speech, and the broader notion of liberalism, aren't just ideas; it's ideology and a continually reiterated (and updated) foundational myth with a history fraught with racism and violent subjugation that continue to inform and / or preclude, at a structural level, the very possibilities for speech and community.
the unifying aspect of liberal speech is hysteria, the continual need to reiterate the delusion that favored institutions and positions of leadership are not largely symbolic. the very notion of a culture war seeks to affirm this, to displace our energy into an arena where nothing has any real political consequence. even purportedly leftist notions of intersectionality and "centering" e.g. black or trans voices seem to fail to take into account a basic psycho-political geography, as if a recognition of problematic elements is sufficient for their removal and some sort of nebulous substitution of more humane models for radical liberation and solidarity. what's ignored is that we've been taught, and encouraged, to regard increased visibility as a concomitant component of social and political progress. the commodification and endless replication / dispersion of categories of identity reinforces the notion that the real battleground is the sphere of legislation, court rulings, and other mechanisms of power that only ever seem to replicate the same mechanisms of repression that we ought to seek to undermine, bypass, and ultimately overcome through collective political destabilization.
while recognizing the importance of language for projects of self-determination — for the affirmation of underrepresented categories and for a sincere fight to craft a world in which our differential existences can be lived in hospitable conditions — do we not wish to consider that the conversations which are most amplified are almost always re-framed as projects which, in some way, "complete" a mythical project of liberation that was flawed, incomplete, but for some reason still worth sticking up for ? why do we continue to fetishize outmoded conceptualizations of liberation while seemingly ignoring the fact that this sort of discourse is inherently a source of violence itself ? and finally, how do we re-claim political autonomy when our avenues of "self-expression" have been cynically marginalized and perverted in such a way that dissent only ever entails a new, novel category for marketing the same old bullshit ?
these thoughts are not complete or fully thought through — just wanted to raise some questions i haven't heard being asked elsewhere. i'm open to suggestions for further reading.
― budo jeru, Friday, 10 July 2020 23:34 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
― imago, Sunday, 12 July 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link
18th century ideology contained some dope ass ideas tho
― sarahell, Sunday, 12 July 2020 19:54 (three years ago) link
Here's a hot take: the culture of calling out "Karens" is actually all about being a Karen -- delighting in tattling on others
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 12 July 2020 21:55 (three years ago) link
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/04/17/USAT/7620a49d-39e9-4db9-a96c-89f3d1deb1ae-facebookreact2.png
― carin' (map), Sunday, 12 July 2020 22:01 (three years ago) link
I mean...I don't think the appropriate response to someone who is videoing their neighbor call the cops on them and reporting a fake assault is "STOP SNITCHIN'", but ymmv
― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 00:52 (three years ago) link
No I agree these people should be called out, I’m more speaking about what the phenomenon does for its participants than whether it should be done.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 13 July 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link
it's kinda like 17th century ideology, that the 18th century was like ... wtf is wrong with you petty ass people and your puritanical bullshit?!
― sarahell, Monday, 13 July 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link
I think the problem is that the truly "karen" behavior (i.e. putting a person of color's safety and even life potentially at risk by calling cops for nothing or for petty bullshit) doesn't really have any existing mechanism to deter it or punish it -- there's no criminal statute that would be adequate, even if such a statute would be enforced, which it likely wouldn't. So there's a case for internet vigilante justice, but at some point it seems like it just turns into delight at throwing rotten fruit at someone, not to mention that by embodying systemic racism in "Karen" we can kind of make a human sacrifice to cleanse our sins.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 13 July 2020 18:50 (three years ago) link
scarlet K
― sarahell, Monday, 13 July 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
The first time a Black female friend called a white coworker "Karen" or "Brenda" anecdotally I was in gales of laughter about it. I didn't realize (two years ago!) that it was already a term that referred to something specific, I just thought she was deliciously sassing her coworker.
― wet pockets (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 13 July 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
it was definitely a good zing for a while
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 13 July 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
cleaning your ears with cotton swabs is fine unless you’re being a terrible clumsy doofus and trying to actually jam it in the canal.
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link