Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

Anyone who has seen a pizza Viennese will be disabused of the notion that Italians, outside of Naples, perhaps, are purists about these things.

idk it sounds like you're talking about Austrians there

there was a good program on pizzas on the radio a few years back that covered its origins as dirty af cheap street-food for scratters to the postwar foodie snobbery towards the first pizza restaurants, can't remember who did it but it was decent.

― calzino, Thursday, 9 July 2020 bookmarkflaglink

There is a very good scene in a film by De Sica showing pizza sold as street food. Remember thinking how nice it was not to fuss over fucking pizza (even if I have strong opinions on it like everyone else).

This is a tweet putting a few of those insta posts together. The Corbyn revolution would have liquidated that guy, no wonder he is still raging about him. He knows how close to a bad end he was.

ok so all of these look and sound legitimately disgusting but because it passes the “would this annoy an italian?” test unfortunately i have to approve of twentymans pizzas pic.twitter.com/DEnJPOKbkY

— jonathan nunn (@demarionunn) July 9, 2020

I mean this is the thread to share them, alphie.

My only die-on-this-hill pizza opinion is you have to eat it with your hands.

What is the most working class of these pizzas, is the question? I am going for chipolatas

I spotted a courgette and pulled pork one on the insta, absolutely no

Just because you can put anything on a pizza doesn't mean you should

obviously I am not prescribing what other people should eat,just what I would

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EchDRdeWkAAQG-m?format=png&name=small

place near me has been doing one with no sauce, pulled pork (quite dry and crispy), pineapple and kimchi

it's alright tbh

idk it sounds like you're talking about Austrians there

Funny you should say that but one of the Italians I've often had pizza with is from Trieste and she sometimes gets her leg pulled about being an Austrian really - she is though the most Italian Italian I've ever met.

Mr Twentyman having a good day on Google reviews pic.twitter.com/JKiS8TGPrv

— Heraclitus (@dreamboatslim) July 9, 2020

has Helen Pidd worked in Manchester forever or

I never learnt about the Peterloo massacre in school and hadn’t even heard of it until I became northern editor five years ago. Mike Leigh’s right, it should be compulsory learning https://t.co/7xxjmbMjWn

— Helen Pidd (@helenpidd) August 16, 2018

specifically, it should be compulsory for every schoolchild to listen to the 22-minute prog-rock epic "peterloo" by the band "tractor"

chicken is the same as mushroom was a good pizza opinion

good to see silby's #onethread initiative gathering steam. every thread is pizza

ILX: One Big Thread

The only good pizza is the one where batman has his dick removed

Like 99% of people I never think or care about the political views of the person who owns the pizza restaurant I go to and looking at that review bombing there's probably a good reason for that. I don't think "small business owner votes Tory" is exactly news anywhere in the country though.

Lol

As of 8:44pm the only Like for the claim you can be a working class property developer came from a member of the Tony Blair Institute. https://t.co/9UZMQ1f5KK

— Andrew Bartlett (@AndrewBartletta) July 9, 2020

Andrew Twentyman and Thomasina Miers need to collab

We aficionados of Homes Under The Hammer see plenty of ‘rough’ property developers as contributors but they’d all be lower middle class in terms of assets, right?

Truly, nobody wants to be LMC.

I did once go to a pizza restaurant in Lausanne where they'd done that thing where every pizza was the 'David Guetta' or the 'Lionel Messi' or whatever. This was about 2011 and the 'Gordon Brown' had been crossed out on every menu and replaced with the 'David Cameron' and I just thought wow, brutal.

Not as brutal as the 'Wayne Rooney' pizza that was like 80% pork products though.

Powerless, rudderless and adrift: Covid-19 has crystallised how England feels
A sense of exclusion and abandonment is as central to people’s experience of this crisis as it was to the Brexit vote

John Harris

80% pork, 10% cigs, 5% base, 5% crust

Pork products that wouldn't stay in position

John Harris takes a look at his bank statement, sucks his teeth, and dusts off the same piece he submits every month

i had a kebab pizza in the rhone valley once, sat in front of a bonfire made of broken furniture in a farmhouse courtyard under the stars

(this sounds fanciful but is actually true)

kebab pizza is fine, no way to do pizza wrong, not taking questions at this time

I'll probably end up saying this on the main thread at some point again but the self-employed are a massively expanding group at the moment and neither main party has established itself as the party of the self-employed, despite being a big group that's there to play for.* It may be that a Deliveroo driver and, say, a journalist or business consultant have very little in common in terms of their wider lives but the covid crisis has established obvious shared interests that weren't apparent otherwise - and a lot of self-employed people live in poverty hand-to-mouth.

*Labour under Corbyn tried this a bit but also seemed to be doing so half-heartedly. Sunak has treated the self-employed as an afterthought throughout the crisis and taken longer to get cash to them or put measures in place.

I've heard quite a few finance headz saying Rishi isn't using the printed money very intelligently. Chucking a load of dosh at companies that were going to bring back furloughed staff anyway and if they were going to let staff go a grand is hardly a big enough inducement to make them change their mind. I'm convinced he's partly an absolute idiot who hasn't a clue what he's doing but also a callous tory wanker!

The Sunak approach was fundamentally to look after capital, in the form of companies. The furlough money flowed through the companies, ensuring people had to retain links with their employers, rather than directly to people social security-style. The self-employed aren't important enough to count in that worldview, even though it's blinkered politically. xp

cigarette butt pizza crust is like the evil twin of the cauliflower pizza crust

TBH I don't think there's really time to obsess over value for money right now, it doesn't really matter and as an attack line it's a non-starter. I think I also agree that it's going to cost more in the long term allowing companies of all sizes to collapse, the hole in the tax base and the difficulty of getting people back to work during the recovery is going to be more damaging than decades' worth of public debt.

Arguably this is separate to the social security question which has been massively underfunded. Doesn't change the fact that, for millions of people, the biggest and most valuable contribution they could be making to society was to stay at home and not work. That's a gigantic shift for traditional economists to get their heads round, but these people needed to be properly incentivised to do so, and they weren't.

I did once go to a pizza restaurant in Lausanne where they'd done that thing where every pizza was the 'David Guetta' or the 'Lionel Messi' or whatever. This was about 2011 and the 'Gordon Brown' had been crossed out on every menu and replaced with the 'David Cameron' and I just thought wow, brutal.

Not as brutal as the 'Wayne Rooney' pizza that was like 80% pork products though.

Surely it's the David Cameron pizza that should be pork-based?

Aren’t you thinking of pigs in blankets?

I’m Danny Dyer, and I’m about to meet Britain’s most working class FTSE 100 CEO.

— P.G. Chodehouse (@mynnoj) July 9, 2020

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dCBobI3TmVU

(I think I used to know Helen Pidd’s father, nice fellow.)

Sorry for the lack of embed, that's a link to "Twenty Man Dead" by the excellent Cutty Ranks, which has obviously been running through my head since yesterday.

Jesus, I’m in pieces after reading this.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/jul/14/david-squires-on-the-life-and-times-of-jack-charlton

Missed out his brave consolation goal at Wembley in 1967 when the World Champions were murdered 3-2 by Scotland.

small nation mentality 😅

I respect what he did for the RoI but for his long association with the dirty dirty dirty white shite I can't get sentimental and care as much as if he was one of the many slimy brown trouts he battered to death with his whacker!

the dirty dirty dirty white shite

credit to calz, he could be talking about two different things here lol

Not got a clue what you mean there!

The England football team?

yes haha

First thing I noticed when I saw that cartoon was he seemed to have transmogrified into Billy McNeill when he was managing Middlesbrough.

Lol I thought imago was inferring I hate white ppl!

I can imagine big Jack huffing some carcinogenic smog in Middlesborough before training, just to show what a working class legend he is!

Which reminds me, Jack Charlton, Billy McNeill - yet moe footballers, specifically central defenders who ended up suffering from dementia.