Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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I did once go to a pizza restaurant in Lausanne where they'd done that thing where every pizza was the 'David Guetta' or the 'Lionel Messi' or whatever. This was about 2011 and the 'Gordon Brown' had been crossed out on every menu and replaced with the 'David Cameron' and I just thought wow, brutal.

Not as brutal as the 'Wayne Rooney' pizza that was like 80% pork products though.

Surely it's the David Cameron pizza that should be pork-based?

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 10 July 2020 10:41 (three years ago) link

Aren’t you thinking of pigs in blankets?

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 10 July 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link

I’m Danny Dyer, and I’m about to meet Britain’s most working class FTSE 100 CEO.

— P.G. Chodehouse (@mynnoj) July 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 July 2020 11:50 (three years ago) link

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dCBobI3TmVU

(I think I used to know Helen Pidd’s father, nice fellow.)

Tim, Friday, 10 July 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link

Sorry for the lack of embed, that's a link to "Twenty Man Dead" by the excellent Cutty Ranks, which has obviously been running through my head since yesterday.

Tim, Friday, 10 July 2020 12:03 (three years ago) link

Jesus, I’m in pieces after reading this.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2020/jul/14/david-squires-on-the-life-and-times-of-jack-charlton

Dan Worsley, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:02 (three years ago) link

Missed out his brave consolation goal at Wembley in 1967 when the World Champions were murdered 3-2 by Scotland.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:24 (three years ago) link

small nation mentality 😅

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

I respect what he did for the RoI but for his long association with the dirty dirty dirty white shite I can't get sentimental and care as much as if he was one of the many slimy brown trouts he battered to death with his whacker!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:51 (three years ago) link

the dirty dirty dirty white shite

credit to calz, he could be talking about two different things here lol

imago, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:55 (three years ago) link

Not got a clue what you mean there!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:58 (three years ago) link

The England football team?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link

yes haha

imago, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

First thing I noticed when I saw that cartoon was he seemed to have transmogrified into Billy McNeill when he was managing Middlesbrough.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

Lol I thought imago was inferring I hate white ppl!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:02 (three years ago) link

I can imagine big Jack huffing some carcinogenic smog in Middlesborough before training, just to show what a working class legend he is!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link

Which reminds me, Jack Charlton, Billy McNeill - yet moe footballers, specifically central defenders who ended up suffering from dementia.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:05 (three years ago) link

Jack 'Bloodsports' Charlton:

https://www.fieldsportschannel.tv/jack-charlton-death-good-says-anti/

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link

Xp
Could be freshwater fishing related?

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:10 (three years ago) link

He was getting eulogised on twitter as a socialist ledge, the fucker was probably pro-capital punishment!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link

One of my fave Jackie memories is that TV show he did on ITV? in the 80s? where he shouted at kids training for not kicking each other hard enough

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link

Anyway he was a legit legend and I mourn him, despite dirty Leeds

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:13 (three years ago) link

I assume all old school footballers are Tories unless it can be proven otherwise.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link

I think the tweet calz is referring to named a lot of managers as socialists? Ferguson, Shankly, that kind of thing

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link

More like the older managers. Mou is fash obv.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link

I think I saw what I what you are referring to, but I also other posts calling him a socialist. Personally he reminds me of a composite of every fucked up bully PE teacher of the 70s/80s with a bit of beetroot faced geography teacher dna thrown into the mix. Well I had violent bald geog teacher who used to crush kids hands and hit people on the head with thick hardback editions!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link

Yeah I don't know why Charlton is a socialist. Ferguson and Klopp do talk politics from time to time. Seen enough quotes by Shankly over the years.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:47 (three years ago) link

He marched with striking miners once I think.

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

People were saying he stood with striking miners and donated to their funds.

scampos mentis (gyac), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:53 (three years ago) link

I thought I recalled him having a soft spot for minors

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link

Never forget that Jackie took the Ireland squad to Harry Ramsdens for a massive fish-eating contest the night before a crucial Euro 96 qualifier. He was a Harry Ramsdens shareholder.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:21 (three years ago) link

From Niall Quinn's autobiography:

"We all shuffled into Harry Ramsden’s. Jack is a shareholder. Packie or Paul or somebody cut a ribbon and officially opened the place. So the night before the game, after a week of drink, I settled down to fish and chips. Garry Kelly took the Harry Ramsden’s Challenge and ate a fish about a yard long and a mountain of chips and anything else they challenged him with. He thought there’s be a certificate but he got a free desert instead, which he duly ate. Jack herded us out pronto. Twenty minutes later, it’s dusk at Lansdowne Road and we’re all waddling about the pitch, groaning, full of fish and chips and trying to do a training session the night before this must-win game. We’re burping and farting and creased over with laughter. Our main thought was it’s been a happy era and it’s ending soon…Sometimes you don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. It was all over for Jack."

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link

"Both of them would have taken an empty symbolic gesture today without thinking" sheesh

anvil, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link

Garry Kelly took the Harry Ramsden’s Challenge and ate a fish about a yard long and a mountain of chips and anything else they challenged him with. He thought there’s be a certificate but he got a free desert instead

not lolled so hard in weeks!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link

One of the worst Guardian arts articles in a long time.

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/jul/14/writer-lockdown-diary-amy-sackville-creative-writing

the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 08:53 (three years ago) link

I'm sure I've read worse, my eyes just sort of glazed over really, I feel like I've read fifty variants on that since lockdown started.

There should be a nationwide ban on the phrase 'sourdough starter' by now, as well as columnists telling people they aren't reading Proust. The overwhelming majority of humanity isn't reading Proust right now.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:31 (three years ago) link

It's harmless, not actively bad or evil, but we've seen way too many of these flimsy diary-type stories, that's for sure.

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link

pretty sure the broadsheets live for flimsy diary-type stories even when there isn't a pandemic

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:36 (three years ago) link

The 'article' summarized: "I can't write because I'm not reading, but this isn't about writers block, because I'm not even trying to write. But - and here's the kicker you DID NOT see coming - I wrote this, natch!"

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:40 (three years ago) link

oh so 'sourdough starter' isn't a euphemism for going for a dump, well you live and you learn.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:45 (three years ago) link

gyac - thanks for that bit of info.

I wonder what a diary of someone who doesn't know whether they'll have a job or be able to make rent looks like.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link

Don't be daft, who'd want to to read that?

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link

I'm going to do a fictional diary of the internal life I imagine my cleaner lives in, if they were a sentient human being. And include how grateful for my money they are and how much colour I bring into their monochrome joyless life.

calzino, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link

The illustration for that article certainly seems a little...gratuitous?

fetter, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:09 (three years ago) link

The Guardian announces it’ll be laying off 180 people - 70 from editorial - after coronavirus smacks £25m from bottom line. We’re all starting to move on from the furlough, sandbag-period of the crisis. https://t.co/4ooydn7z6Z

— Mark Di Stefano (@MarkDiStef) July 15, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:59 (three years ago) link

Just sack Chiles

nashwan, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:00 (three years ago) link

Saddly it won't be him or the Suzanne Moore types that are going to fuck off.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link

Fetter: precisely. Ludicrous illustration really.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:20 (three years ago) link


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