outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

Feel like governments are really just burying their heads in the sand and refusing to engage with the real issue here, that operating an economy reliant on social consumption might just be fundamentally incompatible with keeping a highly contagious and deadly virus under control. If these things meet head on there's no competition, the virus wins.

Until there's an acceptance of this then governments won't be able to even start on the task of ensuring the wellbeing of their citizens over the longer term, it appears they don't believe it's even possible.

― Matt DC, Friday, July 17, 2020 2:18 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Matt DC I've been thinking about your post, and want to understand better what you mean by "social consumption". Can you say a little more?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/20/oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-triggers-immune-response-trial-shows

Fingers crossed…

the power of positive thinking

Gov. Mike Parson: “These kids have got to get back to school.... And if they do get COVID-19, which they will — and they will when they go to school — they’re not going to the hospitals.... They’re going to go home and they’re going to get over it.” https://t.co/yEtHbYf3sZ pic.twitter.com/SzoieUGPOh

— St. Louis Post-Dispatch (@stltoday) July 20, 2020

"getting over it"....

https://english.elpais.com/science_tech/2020-07-17/over-half-of-coronavirus-hospital-patients-in-spain-have-developed-neurological-problems-studies-show.html

Kids only infect other kids, it's like a game of tag.

Fuck this fucking country. Just awful.

On the bright side, you'll be ahead of the curve and achieve herd immunity as early as 2030.

who will win, the governors trying to force kids to go to school, the protesters trying to prevent kids from school, the protesters trying to force kids to go to school, a named US military branch, an unnamed US covert ops squad, the mayors trying to force the governors to stop forcing the kids to go to school, dr manhattan, or nikki haley

sorry to make light of it - i am very lucky to not have to deal with this right now, directly. i know so many ilxors are - teachers, those of us with kids. it's such a fucking mess. :(

Feel like i want to page k3v every time there's news on any vaccine dev and have him de-spin it for us

my partner is definitely stressing about what's going to be asked of her in terms of going back to classes; schools are paralyzed waiting for governor/DOE to make a pronouncement. Seems likely they will wait until two weeks before classes start and union will strike. Administration is asking educators to prepare for both remote learning AND in person classes, which complicates things considerably. Teachers gonna get stuck in the middle of an unnecessarily political shitstorm.

Oddly, cucumber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEl8xWJ-CF0

“You’re lying to the public! Shame one you!” Protestors disrupt DeSantis press conference today pic.twitter.com/m9YASa01WD

— Daniel Uhlfelder (@DWUhlfelderLaw) July 20, 2020

I've seen a lot of people wringing their hands about COVID antibodies dropping off after 3 months, screeching things like "immunity doesn't last". @DKThomp called up the experts, and explains why you shouldn't be wringing your hands and screeching.https://t.co/RyeiKu7Zsb

— "Rabbit = good friend" Smith 🐇 (@Noahpinion) July 20, 2020

desantis is such a chucklefuck

Feel like i want to page k3v every time there's news on any vaccine dev and have him de-spin it for us

― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Monday, July 20, 2020 11:36 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

haha. I’m honestly not following the vaccine data too closely yet. the studies they’re doing now are early-stage where they determine whether the body makes antibodies to the vaccine, which is the bare minimum for an effective vaccine. when they start the real phase 3 studies where they see if it prevents infections, I’ll start to really pay attention. I’m hopeful though! for now I have enough to worry about

The oxford vaccine is in stage 3 IIUC

Was just looking at this tweet from Oxford and the replies of no we are not going to take it.

Oxford’s Covid-19 vaccine produces a good immune response, reveals new study.
Teams at @VaccineTrials and @OxfordVacGroup have found there were no safety concerns, and the vaccine stimulated strong immune responses: https://t.co/krqRzXMh7B pic.twitter.com/Svd3MhCXWZ

— University of Oxford (@UniofOxford) July 20, 2020

it's what dee snider would've wanted

anyone who initially refuses to take this vaccine is not crazy imo. i mean they might be, but there are good reasons to be cautious.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-anti-vaccine.html

“The bottom line is I have absolutely no faith in the F.D.A. and in the Trump administration,” said Joanne Barnes, a retired fourth-grade teacher from Fairbanks, Alaska, who said she was otherwise always scrupulously up-to-date on getting her shots, including those for shingles, flu and pneumonia. “I just feel like there’s a rush to get a vaccine out, so I’m very hesitant.”
...
“The trust issues are just tremendous in the Black community,” said Edith Perry, a member of the Maryland Community Research Advisory Board, which seeks to ensure that the benefits of health research encompass Black and Latino communities.
...
“If you’re smart, you’re worried we won’t have a vaccine, and if you’re smart, you’re worried that maybe we’ve moved so fast that we’ll accept a level of risk that we might not ordinarily accept,” said Sandra Crouse Quinn, a professor of public health at the University of Maryland.

i've posted elsewhere that i personally do not consider the FDA under trump in these circumstances trustworthy at all. i'm not 100% sold on the MHRA in the uk under johnson tbh. i'm waiting to see what better-run countries do (e.g. germany, south korea). if it's only recommended by the FDA, and especially if it's before the november election, i'm not touching it with a bargepoll.

yes I'm very much in the camp of "getting the vaccine but I wanna wait a few weeks first" right now

I'll wait for the 1.01 update to get pushed out.

I signed up as a trial volunteer https://www.coronaviruspreventionnetwork.org

i did too. hope I get selected

Yes obviously when you scroll down from that vaccine tweet it's just hundreds of people telling the University of Oxford that it's dumb and wrong.

yes I'm very much in the camp of "getting the vaccine but I wanna wait a few weeks first" right now

― frogbs, Monday, 20 July 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Really? I think it will undergo thorough testing. Looks like by the time it is tested, goes into production and we get it will be this time next year or maybe late spring but I don't see the testing being rushed.

I'm eager for a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine that doesn't have hypersensitivity issues upon viral challenge, which prevented the world from getting a SARS-1 vaccine. I salute those of you who have volunteered for early stage tests, you are heroes.

if I grow a third arm, I have plans for it

Really? I think it will undergo thorough testing. Looks like by the time it is tested, goes into production and we get it will be this time next year or maybe late spring but I don't see the testing being rushed.

― xyzzzz__, Monday, July 20, 2020 6:22 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it will undergo literally zero testing of side effects that take longer than X months to appear. this is true of all drugs, but X is going to be a much smaller number than it usually is for a vaccine in this case unless it takes them like 5 years to figure it out.

I can see the Trump admin installing people in high positions willing to rush something that maybe ain't 100% safe to get it out in time for the election

if I grow a third arm, I have plans for it

Hoping for a third eye myself.

nope nope Nope nope Nope nope nope... Do not want this.

Carfì et al, 2020. Persistent symptoms in patients after acute covid-19. JAMA.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdZ-0VtWAAAdKnR?format=png

"sputum production" = underrated zappa album

Fuck me, those responses to the vaccine tweet are why a vaccine is only going to be partially effective. I worry Uptake is going to be poor.

Inspired by silby I just volunteered to be part of a vaccine trial.

And Neanderthal

anyone who initially refuses to take this vaccine is not crazy imo. i mean they might be, but there are good reasons to be cautious.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-anti-vaccine.html

“The bottom line is I have absolutely no faith in the F.D.A. and in the Trump administration,” said Joanne Barnes, a retired fourth-grade teacher from Fairbanks, Alaska, who said she was otherwise always scrupulously up-to-date on getting her shots, including those for shingles, flu and pneumonia. “I just feel like there’s a rush to get a vaccine out, so I’m very hesitant.”
...
“The trust issues are just tremendous in the Black community,” said Edith Perry, a member of the Maryland Community Research Advisory Board, which seeks to ensure that the benefits of health research encompass Black and Latino communities.
...
“If you’re smart, you’re worried we won’t have a vaccine, and if you’re smart, you’re worried that maybe we’ve moved so fast that we’ll accept a level of risk that we might not ordinarily accept,” said Sandra Crouse Quinn, a professor of public health at the University of Maryland.
i've posted elsewhere that i personally do not consider the FDA under trump in these circumstances trustworthy at all. i'm not 100% sold on the MHRA in the uk under johnson tbh. i'm waiting to see what better-run countries do (e.g. germany, south korea). if it's only recommended by the FDA, and especially if it's before the november election, i'm not touching it with a bargepoll.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, July 20, 2020 4:10 PM (six hours ago)

I think we should be cautious about this sort of FUD-ing. I share your reservations about the FDA, which predate the trump administration, but this is a bridge we can cross when we have some real data

I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time data is in and higher priority health care workers, teachers, etc have had early access, there were 2-3 comparably effective vaccines, which will have undergone scrutiny in other jurisdictions in the EU and developed Asia.

I think we should be cautious about this sort of FUD-ing. I share your reservations about the FDA, which predate the trump administration, but this is a bridge we can cross when we have some real data

― k3vin k., Monday, July 20, 2020 10:24 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i get what you're saying, but for me at least i don't think there *is* any data that would change my plans, i.e. don't take a vaccine that only the FDA is recommending while the current executive branch is in place.

Trump won’t be in a position to rush an untested vaccine to market before November, afterward he’s not going to care if he loses (and doesn’t start Civil War II).

If he wins then I’m going to try to get the rona and assassinate him via cough.

Trump won’t be in a position to rush an untested vaccine to market before November, afterward he’s not going to care if he loses (and doesn’t start Civil War II).

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:10 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if there are no adverse events then it sounds like the oxford one will be approved and in manufacturing in october and the US has reserved 300M doses.

What about European regulatory bodies? Surely they will also want to say something about it too?

Just reckon any level of cover-up over side effects, or rushing, any gaps, would be found out.

But also there are no consequences for malevolence, criminality or stupidity these days, so who knows?

What about European regulatory bodies? Surely they will also want to say something about it too?

Just reckon any level of cover-up over side effects, or rushing, any gaps, would be found out.

i'm waiting to see what better-run countries do (e.g. germany, south korea).

FUCK FLORIDA

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/medical/concerns-arise-as-some-receive-positive-covid-19-results-but-never-got-tested/ar-BB16Wkwg?ocid=sf

jeeeeeeezus

(also jfc that is some bad writing)

RIP editors.

do editors have a phrase or a term to describe a recommendation for a total, mandatory re-write?

anyway, the story itself is crazy and bad too. i'm not sure how much the apparently numerous mishaps have affected the data, though - if i understood it correctly (and that's a BIG if with the writing), it seems like they getting the contact info/phone numbers wrong for many people, but i'm not sure why that would affect the overall counts for the state. still, what a massive pain in the ass for the people who have it "on their record" now

Yea it would seem like it just gave the wrong people notification rather than any inflation