outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

I can see the Trump admin installing people in high positions willing to rush something that maybe ain't 100% safe to get it out in time for the election

if I grow a third arm, I have plans for it

Hoping for a third eye myself.

nope nope Nope nope Nope nope nope... Do not want this.

Carfì et al, 2020. Persistent symptoms in patients after acute covid-19. JAMA.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdZ-0VtWAAAdKnR?format=png

"sputum production" = underrated zappa album

Fuck me, those responses to the vaccine tweet are why a vaccine is only going to be partially effective. I worry Uptake is going to be poor.

Inspired by silby I just volunteered to be part of a vaccine trial.

And Neanderthal

anyone who initially refuses to take this vaccine is not crazy imo. i mean they might be, but there are good reasons to be cautious.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-anti-vaccine.html

“The bottom line is I have absolutely no faith in the F.D.A. and in the Trump administration,” said Joanne Barnes, a retired fourth-grade teacher from Fairbanks, Alaska, who said she was otherwise always scrupulously up-to-date on getting her shots, including those for shingles, flu and pneumonia. “I just feel like there’s a rush to get a vaccine out, so I’m very hesitant.”
...
“The trust issues are just tremendous in the Black community,” said Edith Perry, a member of the Maryland Community Research Advisory Board, which seeks to ensure that the benefits of health research encompass Black and Latino communities.
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“If you’re smart, you’re worried we won’t have a vaccine, and if you’re smart, you’re worried that maybe we’ve moved so fast that we’ll accept a level of risk that we might not ordinarily accept,” said Sandra Crouse Quinn, a professor of public health at the University of Maryland.
i've posted elsewhere that i personally do not consider the FDA under trump in these circumstances trustworthy at all. i'm not 100% sold on the MHRA in the uk under johnson tbh. i'm waiting to see what better-run countries do (e.g. germany, south korea). if it's only recommended by the FDA, and especially if it's before the november election, i'm not touching it with a bargepoll.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, July 20, 2020 4:10 PM (six hours ago)

I think we should be cautious about this sort of FUD-ing. I share your reservations about the FDA, which predate the trump administration, but this is a bridge we can cross when we have some real data

I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time data is in and higher priority health care workers, teachers, etc have had early access, there were 2-3 comparably effective vaccines, which will have undergone scrutiny in other jurisdictions in the EU and developed Asia.

I think we should be cautious about this sort of FUD-ing. I share your reservations about the FDA, which predate the trump administration, but this is a bridge we can cross when we have some real data

― k3vin k., Monday, July 20, 2020 10:24 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i get what you're saying, but for me at least i don't think there *is* any data that would change my plans, i.e. don't take a vaccine that only the FDA is recommending while the current executive branch is in place.

Trump won’t be in a position to rush an untested vaccine to market before November, afterward he’s not going to care if he loses (and doesn’t start Civil War II).

If he wins then I’m going to try to get the rona and assassinate him via cough.

Trump won’t be in a position to rush an untested vaccine to market before November, afterward he’s not going to care if he loses (and doesn’t start Civil War II).

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, July 21, 2020 3:10 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if there are no adverse events then it sounds like the oxford one will be approved and in manufacturing in october and the US has reserved 300M doses.

What about European regulatory bodies? Surely they will also want to say something about it too?

Just reckon any level of cover-up over side effects, or rushing, any gaps, would be found out.

But also there are no consequences for malevolence, criminality or stupidity these days, so who knows?

What about European regulatory bodies? Surely they will also want to say something about it too?

Just reckon any level of cover-up over side effects, or rushing, any gaps, would be found out.

i'm waiting to see what better-run countries do (e.g. germany, south korea).

FUCK FLORIDA

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/medical/concerns-arise-as-some-receive-positive-covid-19-results-but-never-got-tested/ar-BB16Wkwg?ocid=sf

jeeeeeeezus

(also jfc that is some bad writing)

RIP editors.

do editors have a phrase or a term to describe a recommendation for a total, mandatory re-write?

anyway, the story itself is crazy and bad too. i'm not sure how much the apparently numerous mishaps have affected the data, though - if i understood it correctly (and that's a BIG if with the writing), it seems like they getting the contact info/phone numbers wrong for many people, but i'm not sure why that would affect the overall counts for the state. still, what a massive pain in the ass for the people who have it "on their record" now

Yea it would seem like it just gave the wrong people notification rather than any inflation

“This is part of the testing mechanism problem. People are sitting in their cars, sometimes for hours, or standing in line, six feet apart sometimes for hours. You’re registered though, you’re number 15 in line, and you are Jay Wolfson. If Jay Wolfson says he can’t wait any longer and he leaves, it will get number 15 and now get Rebecca Fernandez, who was standing behind him, and she tests positive, and then everyone from then on gets the wrong results. There has to be a better way to do this,” explained Dr. Jay Wolfson, Public Health & Medicine Professor for the University of South Florida.

I love how Jay Wolfson is a character in a Dr. Jay Wolfson story

xxxp Sure it doesn't affect the data as a snapshot of overall counts, but if people who are actually positive are being told they're negative and then going back to work or whatever, that is... not good for flattening the curve.

holy shit what

xpost that's true, but some ppl who get negative results are actually infected and doing the same. it's worse here because they should have actually known they were for sure infected. but what wigs me out is most people (me included) take these negative tests as a clean bill and really a lot of infected people turn up negative. supposedly if you get it before like the 8th day of infection the false negatives happen almost as much as a coin flip.

yeah, it basically just inflates the false negative rate. god we are all so fucked.

not for nothing but my wife tested relatively soon after symptoms showed up, got a neg result days later, and is...still dealing with covid-like symptoms. so, we're p much counting this as "has covid"

p much the correct way to handle it. i had a friend who kept testing negative who had brutal symptoms for two months and they just basically told her she was a presumptive positive

Fiona Pattern is one of my state senators of the Reason Party FKA the Sex Party. I've met her a few times and she's great.

Well, no one can say @FionaPattenMLC minces her words. pic.twitter.com/jaaO0pg2W1

— Cait Kelly (@cait__kelly) July 22, 2020

Meanwhile in Canada the BC government is suggesting #gloryholes as a way to prevent the spread of Covid-19...i wish i was making this up😳 pic.twitter.com/hEEKi146OO

— Leah Erin 🇨🇦 (@Leaherin74) July 22, 2020

"use glory holes to prevent the spread of disease" is a very novel public heath recommendation

‘walls (e.g. glory holes)’

Is this what being happy feels like?

Every 18 seconds a person tests positive for COVID-19. This is that man. pic.twitter.com/06x1uV9MXA

— Charles Star, Hostile Witness (@Ugarles) July 22, 2020

Jair Deadsonaro

:)

Build The Wall! (e.g. Glory Hole)

and make Mexico pay for it

JFC.

For walk up testing, just stick matching UPC codes on two stickers. Stick one on the tube, stick the other on an info sheet for the tested, with facts about asymtomatic transmission and how they can reduce risk to others while awaiting their results, and a website that allows them to look up their own results via phone or pc browser...

That post coming immediately after the glory hole discussion is a bit unsettling.

I honestly am still confused as to how such a mixup could occur, because every drive-up testing site I've been to hasn't been run that way. At the Orange County Convention Center, which does the highest volume near me, you don't make appointments in advance. You get to the first checkpoint, they had you a short form to fill out. You go to the next checkpoint, they take it from you, then they attach it to another form and put it on your windshield.

Eventually you get to the testing area, and they take the form off of your windshield, print a label to attach to your vial, then take your blood, and give you the sheet of paper with expectations/links/phone numbers. So if you left the line early, nobody would accidentally get your results because nobody in checkpoint #3 even knew you existed yet.

At the places I've made appointments, they actually had to find your name on the list and input it into their computer, and a second person independently reverifies your identity at the next checkpoint, and then put your info on the windshield for the final checkpoint to take.

LIke literally cannot fathom how any of these locations are doing some clumsy numbering system like mentioned in the article.

YMP u better be glad I didn't have soda in my mouth when I read that

BREAKING: Statewide mask mandate for Ohio will take effect Thursday, Gov. Mike DeWine says https://t.co/LliszNdyLG

— Jeremy Pelzer (@jpelzer) July 22, 2020

alright we'll let COVID know to hold back until then

just watched a short WashPost video about how American tourists at Niagara Falls are becoming a tourist attraction for people on the Canadian side. American tourist boats are packed with people (limited to 50% capacity, so 350 people on a 700-capacity boat), while on the Canadian side the boats are limited to SIX people, total. so canadian tourists are taking pictures of the dumbass americans floating around in each other's covid-breath, astonished (yet again) at how reckless and ignorant we are

They should build a wall and make us pay for it

https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/opinion/editorial_cartoon/2020/07/11/patrick-corrigan-canada-us-border/patrick_corrigan_canada_us_border.jpg

warning: the following video contains extreme patriotism

Anti-mask protesters march around the #Indiana State House chanting “USA” & “We Will Not Comply.” pic.twitter.com/5EhmLBlzqK

— Karen Campbell (@KarenCampbellTV) July 19, 2020

it's gonna be a hard winter

P sure that's Offred at the end there.

What's with the people wearing masks?

its so fucking weird that those people never get tear gassed. i wonder why