Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

I don’t know anyone who voted for Nixon

i don't even own a Nixon

Judges also work in law enforcement. So do defense attorneys. To anyone who is alive to fine distinctions, such as the difference between an orange and a tangerine, a prosecutor's job looks nothing like the job done by cops. But apparently some people are not alive to such fine nuances.

This is willful disingenuity and suggests you are totally blinkered to how DAs function in most cities—arm and arm with the police department. That’s not a value judgment...it’s just the way it is.

I am also curious about whether or not ILX has the same sensitivities to the nonpejorative “Top Cop” commonly applied to the AG in this country.

xxxp

Many xposts to many, but I don't know a single person in my non-ILX life other than my boomer parents who refers to Harris as anything except 'Cop-mala.'

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, July 21, 2020

you should listen to your boomer parents

This is willful disingenuity and suggests you are totally blinkered to how DAs function in most cities—arm and arm with the police department. That’s not a value judgment...it’s just the way it is.

― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, July 21, 2020

yes, arm and arm with the police department

Uh...yeah. They do. The work with the police to collect and produce evidence.

Literally.

I've never referred to the Attorney General of the United States as "Top Cop", in either a pejorative or non-pejorative context. Nor do I ever hear this usage, nor read it. So, I am inclined to doubt it is commonly applied. But maybe I live under a rock.

Aimless I know you are your own search engine, but just...look it up?

OK I searched Google for: "Attorney General" "United States" "Top Cop"
It returned: About 53,800 results.

For comparison, a search on: "Attorney General" "United States" "ratfucker"
It returned: About 28,600 results

search for "Attorney General" "Archie Bunker"
About 329,000 results

isn't "cop llama" funnier than "cop-mala"?

My doubts about this "commonly applied title have not been effectively dispelled by recourse to a search engine.

No doubt they haven’t.

Judges also work in law enforcement. So do defense attorneys.

I mean I don’t even know where to begin with this one.

It is hard to begin when you have no idea.

The US Attorney General also runs DOJ, which is the part that makes them a "Top Cop".

xp I’ll just let you do it. Go on and Aimsplain how defense attorneys are considered law enforcement.

arm-and-arm with the police department isn't how Chesa Boudin works as SF DA, and it wasn't how Kamala Harris worked

go to bed, all of you, this is dumb, and I should know

so we're abolishing district attorneys and attorneys general too?

there's plenty to criticize about harris's record but imo it's weakened if you start from the position that anyone holding her office is automatically a cop and thus bad by definition

Kamala called herself the "top cop":
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4813155/user-clip-kamala-top-cop

That said, I think "Kamala is a cop" is a lazy meme that doesn't meaningfully engage with her record or policies.

I’m not arguing for or against dismissing Harris on that basis, just reacting to the absurd dogpiling on Milo for calling her a cop, as if he crossed some kind of line, which is hilarious. As cops go, so far as I understand , she wasn’t the worst.

anyway THEY’RE ALL COPS maaaan

Judges also mostly suck FWIW and it shouldn’t be a calling card for higher office.

No one in the business of locking people up for weed should ever be respected.

Congress should be made up entirely of former teachers (no administrators) and defense attorneys

The US Attorney General also runs DOJ, which is the part that makes them a "Top Cop"

This is such a strange argument. Please don't assume I have zero idea what the Justice Department does.

In the USA there are city police departments, county sheriffs offices, state police, ATF agents, transit agency police, truant officers, Border Patrol, National Park Rangers, FBI, Secret Service, and probably several other arms of government with police powers. I'd guess even the Bureau of Indian Affairs has its own little police force. Of these, the city police, county sheriff departments, and state police comprise by far the jurisdictions with the most numerous police officers. That's where almost all the cops are.

Of all these named agencies, only the FBI and ATF fall under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department. All the rest fall under other authorities, like city, county, and state governments, the Treasury Dept., the Interior Dept., Dept. of Homeland Security, and others.

Under the federal system the US Attorney General doesn't supervise, control, or give any orders to something like 99% of the police in the nation. How the hell does this make the AG the "Top Cop"? The AG is way more involved with directing thousands of lawyers than managing cops.

is Top Cop like "#1 Dad", or are these regional rankings

lawyers and prosecutors are heavily intertwined with police. source: law and order the television show

i think part of the thread is in a veering-on-pedantic argument about whether a prosecutor is technically a "cop", while the other part is arguing about whether it's helpful or not to label harris a "cop"

Kamala Harris is a total cop

was recently reading the New Jim Crow, and there was a helpful section where Alexander talks about the prosecutors having the most power and authority in the criminal justice system (in terms of making decisions about who to punish and how), while police having the most discretion (in terms of where they choose to patrol, whether they detain people or not). they're all part of the same incarceration system, they're just at different levels

'Heavily entwined', 'working hand in hand', and all similar characterizations are fairly accurate. I agree with those descriptions. otoh, farmers 'work hand in hand' and are 'heavily entwined' with food processors and distributors. This does not make a food processor or distributor a farmer. These are incredibly fine distinctions, I realize. Most people also think all ovals are circles.

This line of argument probably could have ended with the clip of Kampala calling herself a (top) cop.

Pretty sure not a single soul who has called her a cop thinks she was kicking down doors with the CHiPS SRT.

Kick in the door
Wavin the 44
All I hear is
Mala don't hit me no more

she's a cop (AmE) but she's not a copper (BrE) is my take

I've read this book to my toddler. She's a not-a-cop.

OK I searched Google for: "Attorney General" "United States" "Top Cop"
It returned: About 53,800 results.

627,000 results if you don't add unnecessary phrases designed to reduce the number tbf, with "Kamala Harris: California's “Top Cop”" the top one on my attempt.

In the USA there are city police departments, county sheriffs offices, state police, ATF agents, transit agency police, truant officers, Border Patrol, National Park Rangers, FBI, Secret Service, and probably several other arms of government with police powers. I'd guess even the Bureau of Indian Affairs has its own little police force. Of these, the city police, county sheriff departments, and state police comprise by far the jurisdictions with the most numerous police officers. That's where almost all the cops are.

Of all these named agencies, only the FBI and ATF fall under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department. All the rest fall under other authorities, like city, county, and state governments, the Treasury Dept., the Interior Dept., Dept. of Homeland Security, and others.

I've learned something.

Yeah, it's not like I think Cop-mala was an actual cop. But having known a bunch of people who were locked up during her time as DA, and knowing her record, I'm a little surprised at the pushback. Of course it's a fine distinction, but who the fuck cares? She sucks! Most DAs suck!

DAs maybe aren’t cops, but (unless they are fairly radical) they are usually the ones who decline to bring charges against cops who murder people or otherwise abuse their position while on the job. I have no idea if Kamala routinely let murderers with badges skate, but surely that’s easy enough to find out?

it’s probably pretty easy to see how she ‘applied the law’ in cases the city of SF and state brought against poor people vs how they dealt with rich ppl & corporations

Her record is better than most, especially as AG, but it's still execrable.

For example, as AG she really fucked with this piece of shit sheriff who had a posse comitatus going around intimidating ethnic minorities with assault rifles. https://www.mtshastanews.com/article/20160608/NEWS/160609729

But there are too many other cases where she looked the other way when people with power and prestige were doing heinous shit, and also oversaw police in the state capitol that planned and plotted with white supremacist groups. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest

A friend of mine was one of the people stabbed by the fascist scum, so I'm pretty unequivocal that she sucks, for the most part.

What about Duckworth? Are there good reasons for her not being a top tier consideration? Genuinely curious; I don’t hat much about her.

don’t know that much*