Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Milo, as one who has only a marginal interest in electoral politics (bc it's all mostly a scam IMHO), I will say that Duckworth has more name recognition than any of the Black women Biden is considering with the exception of Harris and maybe Abrams, mostly because of her military service and subsequent disability.

I was just answering why she's (seemingly) not in the popular conversation - unlike Warren she doesn't have the name recognition, unlike the other names she's not an African-American woman.

I think Duckworth would be as fine a VP candidate as any of them. Except that, similar to Kamala, she's got a pretty good and safe job with room to expand her national profile if she wants it.

tbh, i thought susan rice was the attorney obama met on the tarmac and thought she would be a bad pick for that reason until like last week

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, July 22, 2020 12:25 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

She's not Loretta Lynch, but she was a prominent figure in the Benghazi "scandal" and therefore may carry similar baggage.

The lack of executive experience is an instant demerit for me. A pity about her. I learned a lot about the Armenian genocide and the Bosnian wars from A Problem from Hell.

...which was written by Samantha Power.

time for lunch!

confusing interventionist swine like Rice and Power is only natural

https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/06/susan-rice-power-and-empire/

My family owns at least three pieces of Warren apparel and picking her for veep would be bottomlessly stupid.

I have almost no respect for your isolationist views on American fopo, as we all know, but “interventionist swine” has a ring to it

not 'isolationist,' anti-genocide

that’s the part I do respect, the rest I still consider isolationist. I think you think the USA should draw down its meddling in foreign affairs to some sort of Mongolia level. I disagree.

she was a prominent figure in the Benghazi "scandal" and therefore may carry similar baggage.

From what I remember her role in Benghazi was repeating State Dept. talking points that turned out to be wrong on a Sunday talk show. But yeah I guess she has the same "was a favorite target of Fox News" negatives that Hillz had

https://www.vox.com/21322478/joe-biden-overton-window-bidenism

how is this for a morbsesque nickname for Joe Biden: "Joe Bidet"?

got him

I'm totally blackpilled at this stage and have resolved to no longer shit up American politics threads on here (too much) but I got to say I'm kind of looking forward to the (possible) Biden administration just for old joe's gaffes

u mean like "Trump is the first racist president"? gonna be hard to top.

I believe in him

https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-a-warming-planet/what-joe-bidens-climate-plan-really-signals

major takeaway:

I don’t want to go deeply into the details of the plan here, because chances are that few of the proposals will get enacted in their precise form, but they seem a truly useful compendium of the mainstream and obvious ideas for an energy and conservation transition. And they provide a good roadmap by which to steer, even if that map avoids the most controversial areas of the debate. (The plan is especially quiet about the efforts that will be necessary to limit mining and drilling for fossil fuels.) The best way to understand them, I think, is as a loud signal in the ever-louder conversation among élites about the trajectory and the pace of that transition.

I know I've complained about this before but every new joe biden mailing-list subject line sounds more and more like he's trying to hit on me (today: "I'd love to give you a call, Katherine")

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYjBhMWQ3NTUtNDdmNS00ODdjLWI5NjAtZWVlMjlhYTc5MzdlXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTQxNzMzNDI@._V1_.jpg

He's emailing from INSIDE THE HOUSE

he's emailing from inside a typewriter

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/24/karen-bass-biden-vp-380583

Seems like there are worse possibilities.

Yes, this, as a Warren person, is what I want. I am at peace with her not being President and what I want now is for the President to be someone who understands that Warren has thought more about a wide range of policy than just about anyone else at that level of politics, and who will defer to her judgment on dozens and dozens of below-the-headlines issues that are really important in people's lives.

https://apnews.com/ef689a89b4ce8361001b3cb55faa6f2b

I'm steeling myself for the dumbest Twitter posts this planet has ever seen if Joe Biden's running mate is named Karen

m steeling myself for the dumbest meghan trainor campaign anthem this planet has ever seen if Joe Biden's running mate is named Bass

Better if they use Public Enemy

dammit, beat me to it

“The Way You Move” IMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yt69f5CkTs

If this is your concern, I am not sure I want to know what you think about Keisha Lance Bottoms.

talk about coattails, my veep's got 'em

I like that veep and I cannot lie

all of the potential choices for vice president are ok with me

^this is what happens when you let Macklemore write the lyrics

would like to see any of them - Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Susan Rice, Karen Bass, Stacey Abrams, Keisha Lance Bottoms, Val Demings, Tammy Duckworth, Michelle Lujan Grisham, Gretchen Whitmer

^ what happens when you let Lou Bega write the lyrics

88 Lines About 44 Women (Vice Presidential Candidate Possibilities)

They could play the role of america’s greek chorus

^ what happens when you let Lou Bega write the lyrics

ha ha

in your heart...

Bernie Sanders co-chair: Voting for Joe Biden like eating 'half a bowl of s–t' https://t.co/c4APKd3QyN pic.twitter.com/ytNu1o8xw1

— New York Post (@nypost) July 27, 2020

Strategy/advice from the kind of mainstream Democrat ILX loathes (doesn't matter who):

5. Whatever you do, don't debate Trump. Trump has now made more than 20,000 misleading or false statements according to the Washington Post. It's a fool's errand to enter the ring with someone who can't follow the rules or the truth. Biden will undoubtedly take heat from Republicans and the media for skipping the debates. But it's worth the risk as trying to debate someone incapable of telling the truth is an impossible contest to win.

Not sure about that one at all. While I wouldn't go seeking debates, to turn them down would unleash a avalanche of speculation (what is he hiding, his fitness, etc.) It'd give Trump something to grab onto at a time when he nothing. Trump's relationship to the truth is pretty well documented by now--can't see that that would be a problem with anyone leaning even slightly in the direction of voting him out.

He can and should agree to a few debates, but don't be goaded into shit like 50 debates or a live cognitive function test shootout.

Mockingly dismiss that shit as the desperation ploy it is, and keep smiling.

Ditto this type of thing - Susan Collins demanding 16 debates:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/as-pandemic-limits-scrutiny-gop-fears-lesser-known-democratic-candidates-will-steamroll-to-senate-majority/2020/07/24/e7087534-cde3-11ea-b0e3-d55bda07d66a_story.html

Traditional "debates" are pointless. Trump will unleash a tidal wave of his usual rote phrases ("beautiful," "the best ever," "many people are saying," "no one has ever before") and bullshit. The questions should be factual in nature. "What does the 14th Amendment state?" "Which Cabinet agency is in charge of the United States' nuclear arsenal?" Stuff Biden knows, and Trump would fumble and try to bullshit through. It's not about proving that Trump is unfit at this point. That's established, in the minds of a majority of voters. What needs to be done now is to assure/reassure anyone who needs it that Biden will be better at the actual duties and responsibilities of the job.

Debate is dumb because both of them are champion bullshitters, but for one of this is an asset and for the other it is a liability.

VP debate better idea.

Dual best idea.

In the first debate, Biden should preface his first answer with, “I often think about the advice that the first thing a person should do when out into prison is find the biggest person in the yard and immediately pick a fight to gain respect,” then turn to Trump and say, “Here I am, shitstain. Take your best shot, try to get your self-respect back. I DARE YOU.” When Trump demurs, he should punch Trump repeatedly in the face while yelling “ARE YOU ENTERTAINED, AMERICA??? ARE YOU?” and then go into the details of his jobs plan as the Secret Service drags him off the stage.

still just need the Sons Debate

Wives debate.

I don't care do u

just bring Michelle Obama out to debate Melania

Melania will just repeat everything she says