Posts you had second thought about and decided not to post - put them here

Particularly when they’ve decided to suggest that putting up with bullshit from terfs is necessary and valuable.

Things that have happened to me, a cis woman, when talking to* terfs:

- been accused of being a ‘handmaiden’, a gender traitor, a cunt, a misogynist
- been accused of wanting to sew myself up (!)
- been accused of not being a real woman,
- been accused of wanting children to be exposed to abusers

... and I find that awful enough for me, so why suggest any trans person does it? They have been radicalised. They are beyond reason.

*talking to, not screaming at, for a person who likes to talk about misogyny on ilx you’re not shy of using a few tropes yourself, huh?

xp so no one should applaud you, silby? totally fine with that

I don’t post for approval!! God.

Certainly not yours.

you post for God?

I’m pretty sure it’s a mitzvah to post

For the hell of it.

for the jazz

It's an empty box we just type in it

You click post and it posts

if God had a dn
what would it be

BidenFan420BlazeIt

Particularly when they’ve decided to suggest that putting up with bullshit from terfs is necessary and valuable.

whoa whoa whoa that is so not what Branwell was saying at all. but it's a super fraught issue that different people have different comfort levels dealing with ... like "how to navigate discussions of white supremacy with people who are sympathetic but are also kinda racist" ... for some people that is too triggering and painful and just a "no go" area. For others, who have the capacity to do that work, it's an important discussion. Then it's like ... okay, is that thread a place for both positions, or should it be somewhere where people don't even bring up the work because it is too triggering for those who don't want to go there.

One could argue for summary execution of all racists, terfs, cops and landlords, etc. including all those with somewhat sympathetic views to the racists, terfs, cops and landlords. Former ilxor nakhchivan might support this solution as he is a fan of executions. I kinda doubt that many of the rest of you actually want to execute all these people. I feel like you want them to be empathetic, respectful, and not treat marginalized people like garbage. So, the issue is ... how does this get accomplished? Maybe if silby demonstrated a greater interest in historical executions, I might feel like they were less of a smug shit-stirrer.

Saint-Just did nothing wrong

We need a guillotine emoji to make this box less empty

Joseph-Ignace Guillotin, that most humane of physicians.

Hey, you ought to have seen how they executed people before the Revolution.

Oh, I know.

Bundling people on to boats and setting them on fire was also not ideal

It was Thermidoreans what did that.

Infernal columns of 1793, surely, pre-Thermidorean-reaction?

(guessing we're all listening to the same podcast)

it must be serious, you forgot your wife's name

If there were no meaningful difference at all between the way that "people who were assigned male" are treated, and the way that "people who were assigned female" are treated, then no one would ever need to transition socially in any form, ever, in this world, because it just literally wouldn't make any difference.

Like, you are so far down the spiral of denying the fabric of trans people's actual lived experience I don't even know what level of transphobia you are on?

buddy I don’t know what to tell you other than that I think u hate trans women

xp you should instead post that post directly into the thread into which you originally intended it because life is too short to not say exactly what you mean if and when you mean it

X x post

That’s a bizarre and massive over-generalisation... People transition for many different kinds of reasons.

I like ice cream

It's also frankly AMAZING, how there is literally ~no difference at all~ between a gay bathhouse, and a "queer poetry night - anyone who has ever felt any connection to the word 'woman' welcome" at the Feminist Library. These spaces are completely identical, and their functions utterly indistinguishable, and it's totally transphobia city to imply any difference!!!!!

I mean... it's almost as if people are responding to massive over-generalisations with... other massive over-generalisations, to make a point about the absurd reductivity of the first reaction?

I like ice cream and cheese -- they are similar, but different -- discussing the differences between them from the perspective of ice cream does not mean that you are cheesephobic

Is this bad faith????!???!??!!!!

presumably you were fine for the long time you didn't post here. is there any way we can go back to that arrangement? i felt a lot more comfortable in that space. xp to branwell

in good faith I can state that I am a supporter of delicious dairy products which include both ice cream and cheese; I also feel like denying that there are different issues regarding privilege and bias between people treated as female from birth vs. those treated as male from birth is a real headscratcher for me ...

Branwell let’s be perfectly fucking clear here your preoccupation with “AMABs” and “AFABs” is hateful and dangerous and if that’s how the galaxy brained queers you hang out with are talking about cis men, trans women, and transfeminine nonbinary people in the same breath all the time then feel free to fuck back to that chatroom and don’t bring that shit to this board that you hate posting on anyway.

Like I don’t know what discursive culdesac you’ve trapped whoever is naive enough to hang out with you in but leave us out of it alright?

maybe it's an issue of feeling like transwomen and nb-ppl who were AMAB are behaving in ways similar to the ways cis-men have behaved to Branwell on ilx in their history on this board?

I’m not about to speculate on what Branwell’s issues are

well, Branwell has posted many times about and has expressed the perception that the fact they were AFAB (and presented as a woman for many years) -- led to a lot of the hostility from the cis-male posters in the past, that B feels they would not have received had they been "a man" at the time?

Like, seriously.

Me: "The creation of gendered adults from the genders assigned to children is a nonconsensual and often violent process, which is applied in very different ways to people who are considered to be female, and those considered to be men."

Reponse: YOU HATE TRANS WOMEN!!!!!

It's not anything to do with what I'm saying, is it? It's the fact that it's *me* saying it, right? Because this starts to feel like gaslighting after a while.

I know what my issue is, which is their rearing up out of the depths of the ocean to bully a genderqueer poster off the board twice in two years while spouting off about AMAB this and AMAB that is more than enough recent evidence I need to call them out for their transmisogyny.

maybe it's an issue of feeling like transwomen and nb-ppl who were AMAB are behaving in ways similar to the ways cis-men have behaved to Branwell on ilx in their history on this board?

No, it's more like... so-called "queer" spaces which are dominated by cis gay males often replicate misogyny in ways that are not always apparent to trans women or AMAB enbys.

Branwell if you were making the same posts as an unidentifiable sock in the same threads rest entirely fucking assured I would be reacting the same way

I truly cannot fathom how you are so wise as to understand that trans women are not as attuned to misogyny as you are

I’m really glad you’re here bringing your elevated understanding of AMABs to us

silby -- I would not use the phrase "bully a poster off the board" here -- like, I feel that B should have been more sensitive to Brad, esp. considering the history from 2 years ago, but -- "bullying a poster off the board" compared to what ilx used to be like, and what some of us went through when ilx was like that -- esp. Branwell? ... poor choice of words.

It’s interesting that you would not use that phrase, what are some other phrases you wouldn’t use

“I was wrong”

I wouldn't use the phrase "you should clearly keep antagonizing Branwell"

What happens to people who antagonize Branwell, is it unpleasant

ilx has a search function

god 'antagonizing'.. this sort of weird warped language and discourse that emerges around narcissists, like simultaneously they suffer all the harm and deserve all the placation