Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

I didn't mean to imply it was a good strategy by Gore, just observing that that's what he did.

The main reason Gore distanced himself from Clinton was the perceived lingering stain of the impeachment

"Lingering stain" is particularly apt here

"Lingering stain" "Lingering stain" "Lingering stain"

My point was that using the veep as a step to the presidency is always a career move with built in hazards. It couples your political identity with the president's and you are no longer in control of it. Veeps have no power over anything, but become appendages with no independent volition.

"Lingering stain" is an onomatopoeia.

More and more, I'm thinking that Susan Rice would be a good pick. Hard to imagine the Benghazi stuff resonates to anyone who isn't already voting for Trump.

I feel like Rice's political campaigning chops are pretty unknown. Can she get people fired up? She seems like someone more comfortable with diplomacy and the behind the scenes stuff, not so much a "personality".

it doesn't, but do you want to hear congressional republicans hammering on about it for the next 4-12 years?

They will 100% cling to Benghazi if given the chance

There's another group of voters who would think, "Seriously? Read the room. In a time of utter disgust at cops of all sorts, you choose... a cop. Fuck you, Joe."

did you see the dnc platform? none of those people are in their room.

Biden will be running headlong into the arms of cops when Trump ads are all BLM/"rioting"

There's a group of voters who would think, "Good choice. Woman? Check. Woman of color? Check. Accomplished, apparently smart and savvy, charismatic? Check. We're on board."

There's another group of voters who would think, "Seriously? Read the room. In a time of utter disgust at cops of all sorts, you choose... a cop. Fuck you, Joe."

The only worthwhile calculations here are: (1) which group is bigger? and (2) where do they live?

Group A is larger by a factor of 1000. Group B lives in the deepest of blue states and can only be described as "voters" with the greatest generosity. Also, VP choices have historically meant almost nothing, electorally speaking. Also, Joe Biden is running as "Not Donald Trump" and that's becoming a better and better strategy with each passing hour, so fuck it.

ah yes I had missed this particular flavor of doomposting

ah sorry wrong thread

Group B lives in the deepest of blue states and can only be described as "voters" with the greatest generosity.

I don't think Group B is meaningfully large at this point, given the last several months, but LOL at the idea that anti-cop people are only in the "deepest of blue states."

LOL at the idea that anti-cop people are only in the "deepest of blue states."

People are anti-cop all over. Knee-jerk "Kamala Harris is a cop" assbags, though, are mostly tweeting from the bluest states, is my guess.

hey some of us assbags aren't even in the States :)

dat assbag

I don't know a single person in my non-ILX life other than my boomer parents who refers to Harris as anything except 'Cop-mala.'

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, July 21, 2020 10:47 PM (one week ago)

i still think "boring phony" is more marketable

I'm in PA btw, but a former resident of California and San Francisco, and I will tell you in perhaps a different manner: everyone I know hates Kamala Harris because she stands for everything that liberals love about our so-called justice system while quietly doing horrible, horrible shit out in the open, and no one who "matters" seems to care. It makes sense that Biden and other Dems love her, because she reminds me very much of a recent president who is very beloved...

Also she's a fucking cop.

uh oh....

We've gotten into this argument before, no need to get into it again.

a recent president who occasionally gets into Baptist cadences in church

I'm glad we can find points of agreement, Morbz. Of course our current asshole is the biggest horrorshow to ever hold the office, up there with Jackson, but I will not let Obama's legacy be recuperated just because this shit is so much worse.

It all needs to go.

Recuperated among whom exactly?

It all needs to go.

It all needs to be replaced with something better. Just sweeping everything aside is a good way to lose what little has been gained, rather than spontaneously produce something excellent. For example, good roads are pretty nice, even if combustion engines aren't. Keep libraries. Close prisons.

Are you say that picking Kamala Harris as VP will remind people they still like Barack Obama?

Recuperated among the millions of people in this country who don't give a shit about Obama's getting the deportation apparatus into shape for Trump, or for the innocent people his drones killed in the Middle East. There are, in fact, many people like this.

And also, Aimless, you are right. My hyperbole takes advantage of me sometimes.

My Hyperbole (Takes Advantage of Me -- Sometimes)

:-D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfcr6xDUu5c

Everybody's talking
All this stuff about me
Everybody literally

There are, in fact, many people like this.

sub-tweeting 65% of ILX is mean

So recuperating Obama amongst Obama supporters?

By choosing Kamala Harris as VP?

For Joe Biden, Obama's former VP?

I think the word people are searching for is rehabilitating.

how did we decide after we had the experience of Obama for eight years that we should elect this piece-of-shit corrupt racist know-nothing narcissistic greedy want-to-be fascist game show host with a borderline personality disorder

as a species we are awful

how did we decide after we had the experience of Obama for eight years that we should elect this piece-of-shit corrupt racist know-nothing narcissistic greedy want-to-be fascist game show host with a borderline personality disorder

Because life didn't improve for most people over those eight years.

xxp

Yes, that would be a better word, but still the point remains, on what planet do we think that the biggest risk of a Biden/Harris ticket is the rehabilitation of known Democratic pariah Barack Obama?

And then the Democrats nominated someone who refused to promise anyone a better future, who was also widely disliked. So fewer voters of color showed up to the polls, fewer who did voted for the widely disliked person who was promising a slow decline, and racist evangelical psychos turned out in record numbers.

racist evangelical psychos turned out in record numbers.

Two words: Merrick Garland.

I think life did improve for the majority of americans during those 8 years!!

hereeeeeeeee we go

Department of Homeland Security issued internal legal guidance telling officers they would not be held liable for tear gassing journalists as long as they weren't directly targeted.

Hope Joe Biden can get his "shoot them in the legs" policy past the lawyers!

#onethread

Based on real wages, inequality, household wealth, exploding housing costs, etc. life did not improve for many people.

You can blame it on Republicans after 2010 or before 2008 but that doesn't change that the "experience" of the Obama Presidency was life getting harder and more difficult for most people. That's a hard sell to people as some golden age that should have continued on blissfully forever after.