Chrome: C or D?

looks like it could be the same, compare the order of the new songs & older songs on the cassette with this:

http://www.staticwhitesound.com/chrome/discography/Ultra_Soundtrack.htm

I want to hear

"Unfortunately, this copy (the only one known to exist) was re-recorded over the first 5 minutes with some folk music, destroying most of the first 2 tracks."

Hippy bastards! Still, sounds like that cassette could be a complete version of this,

The staticwhitesound discography is terrific. I have an ancient cassette of the Chromasome Damage bootleg - nice to have David Tibet's confirmation that the intro and outro are old Crowley recordings.

As for the Ultra Soundtrack tape, has anyone ever thought to ask the Mitchell brothers what the story is?

the second one died in 2007, so we can't ask them.

perhaps there's an unreleased interview somewhere...

milton linked to another tape at some point that had longer versions of some AS tracks, wonder if these are the same.

okay, I kinda need to hear this

here are those alien soundtracks demo mp3s from the ebay auction zipped up for yr delectation in case they never see the light of day again

http://www.sendspace.com/file/abu6pc

that tape went for cheap, only $810, wondered if they threw in free shipping

so I tried to sort out where the various cleopatra box set tracks originated, and here's what I came up with. cleopatra could've saved me the trouble by putting this info in the set or putting it on their website. bastards.

this is not definitive as I don't have the original vinyl to compare, but by checking a couple different sources (staticwhitesound, discogs, rateyourmusic) and looking at track times I think this is mostly correct.

after going through this exercise I find it's hard to level a claim that the chronicles tracks have been unfairly truncated by cleopatra, since chrome itself issued the chronicles tracks on several releases with varying lengths and it appears like cleopatra picked from already existing versions.

example: "wings born into the night"
chronicles I - 16:00
raining milk - 6:40
chronicles vol I & II - 15:42
cleopatra chrome box - 6:45 (I'm assuming this is the raining milk version)

the biggest crime of the set is dropping half of alien soundtracks, losing classic tracks like "nova feedback" and "st37". but you do get a bunch of tracks not readily found elsewhere. and a pin. and a sticker.

Disc 1
1. Chromosome Damage (Alien Soundtracks LP)
2. The Monitors (Alien Soundtracks LP)
3. Pygmies In Zee Park (Alien Soundtracks LP)
4. Slip It To The Android (Alien Soundtracks LP)
5. Pharaoh Chromium (Alien Soundtracks LP)
6. Magnetic Dwarf Reptile (Alien Soundtracks LP)
7. TV As Eyes (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
8. Zombie Warfare (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
9. March Of The Chrome Police (A Cold Clammy Bombing) (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
10. You've Been Duplicated (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
11. Mondo Anthem (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
12. Half Machine Lip Moves (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
13. Abstract Nympho (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
14. Turned Around (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
15. Zero Time (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
16. Creature Eternal (Half Machine Lip Moves LP)
17. Anti-Fade (Subterranean Modern comp)
18. I Left My Heart In San Francisco (Subterranean Modern comp)
19. Meet You In The Subway (Subterranean Modern comp)
20. Excerpt From Read Only Memory (Read Only Memory 12")
21. Informations (New Age 7" b-side)

Disc 2
1. New Age (Red Exposure LP)
2. Eyes On Mars (Red Exposure LP)
3. Jonestown (Red Exposure LP)
4. Animal (Red Exposure LP)
5. Static Gravity (Red Exposure LP)
6. Eyes In The Center (Red Exposure LP)
7. Electric Chair (Red Exposure LP)
8. Isolation (Red Exposure LP)
9. In A Dream (Inworlds 12")
10. Danger Zone (Inworlds 12")
11. The Need (Blood on the Moon LP)
12. Perfumed Metal (Blood on the Moon LP)
13. Insect Human (Blood on the Moon LP)
14. Brain Scan (Blood on the Moon LP)
15. Instrumental (Non-LP Track) (Chromosome Damage - live in Bologna LP)
16. Out Of Reach (Chromosome Damage - live in Bologna LP)
17. Blood On The Moon (Chromosome Damage - live in Bologna LP)
18. Innervacume (Chromosome Damage - live in Bologna LP)
19. Planet Strike (Chromosome Damage - live in Bologna LP)

Disc 3
1. The Manifestation (Of The Idea) (No Humans Allowed LP)
2. Firebomb (Firebomb 7")
3. Shadows Of A Thousand Years (Firebomb 7")
4. Future Ghosts (3rd from the Sun LP)
5. Armageddon (3rd from the Sun LP)
6. Heartbeat (3rd from the Sun LP)
7. Off The Line (3rd from the Sun LP)
8. 3rd From The Sun (3rd from the Sun LP)
9. Anorexic Sacrifice (Anorexic Sacrifice 7")
10. Beacons To The Eye (Anorexic Sacrifice 7")
11. Open Up (Locust Door) (Chronicles I)
12. Gehenna To Canaan (Chronicles II)
13. Wings Born In The Night (Raining Milk)
14. Tribes (Ultra) (Raining Milk)
15. Gehenna Lion (Raining Milk)

Edward, thanks for the hard work. And, yeah, this information should have come with the box.

That would have been too easy.

conversely, here is what's missing from the cleopatra box set:

Alien Soundtracks
03 All Data Lost
04 SS Cygni
05 Nova Feedback
09 ST 37

Half Machine Lip Moves
11 Critical Mass

Read Only Memory (there is an 8 minute excerpt)
A1. You Can’t See Them - They Can’t Touch You
A2. Inacontact
A3. Read Only Memory
B1. In Front of the Crowd
B2. I am the Jaw

New Age 7"
A1. New Age

Red Exposure
02 Room 101
09 Nights Of The Earth

Blood on the Moon
02 Inner Vacume
04 Planet Strike
05 The Strangers
07 Out of Reach
09 Blood on the Moon

Chromosome Damage (Live in Bologna)
A1. [ La Gitana - Aleister Crowley * ]
A2. Perfumed Metal
A4. Insect Human (We are Connected)
B1. Sun Control
B4. Armageddon
B6. [ The Pentagram - Aleister Crowley * ]

No Humans Allowed
(same Read Only Memory tracks)
B1. You Can’t See Them- They Can’t Touch You
B2. Inacontact
B3. Read Only Memory
B4. In Front Of the Crowd
B5. I am the Jaw

3rd from the Sun
01 Fire Bomb
07 Shadows of a Thousand Years

(everything below is all chronicles material, renamed, repackaged, etc.)

Chronicles I
A1. Anorexic Sacrifice
A2. Tribes
B1. Wings Born in the Night

Chronicles II
A1. Beacons to the Eye
B1. Gehenna Lion (Gehenna to Cannaan)

Raining Milk
A3. Gehenna to Canaan
A4. Légendes des Fantomes Futures
B1. Beacons to The Eye
B2. Raining Milk
B3. Anorexic Sacrifice

Chronicles Vol 1 & 2
01 The Chronicles of the Sacrifice
02 The Chronicles of the Tribes
03 The Chronicles of the Open Door
04 The Chronicles of Born in the Night
05 The Chronicles of the Beacons
06 The Chronicles of Gehenna

at one time I had copies of the unedited tapes from their 1981 shows in bologna and SF. I should dig those out.

don't get too excited. the sound was pretty dodgy on them.

but hey, it's chrome.

If you've got dodgy copies, there are probably pristine masters out there somewhere. And, yes, I'd be excited to hear them regardless.

IIRC the sound wasn't dodgy because they were bad copies or nth generation, but because they were '81 amateur audience tapes of a noisy underground band. but they can't sound much worse than the live tracks on the cleopatra box set, which were mastered from a vinyl boot...

Should fit in really nicely between my Rallizes Denudes discs and the Black Metal collection, then!

Helios Creed is playing Friday night & i am so there.I've seen him multiple times including on the Nic Turner's Hawkwind tour.I kinda like the live Chrome stuff he plays that's on the second disc of some throwaway Cleopatra greatest hits.I used to have the original Chrome vinyl box but sold it years ago.Wish i hadn't.

When the hell is somebody gonna re-release The Visitation??

Yeah, this is the real question.
I really would like to put my dirty little hands on it.

Really not that great at all, IIRC, though I appreciate you've got to hear it once.

A friend of mine who played with Helios in Seattle just came back to Italy and gave me this Chrome dvd as a gift: it includes their vintage videos, including some hilarious clip with a raincoated Damon Edge proudly wielding a keytar. Great stuff!

looks like cleopatra is reissuing red exposure next month.

wish noiseville could've swung it.

yesssss

I know this is inconceivable, but hi dere Cleopatra plz include Read Only Memory as bonus trax.

at one time I had copies of the unedited tapes from their 1981 shows in bologna and SF.

A 1981 SF show from Mabuhay Gardens just popped up on D!me@d0zen -- sounds pretty good so far.

Yeah, saw that as well!

that sf show is the same one I leonardo'd last week... synchronicity or related phenomenon?

maybe I should throw the '81 italy show up on DAD

Mix CD Kings.

so Red Exposure is out, there is (was?) a ltd vinyl edition as well.

anybody heard this? I'd be interested in hearing how it sounds compared to the orig Siren/Beggar's Banquet vinyl.

Would love Red Exposure vinyl

yes but it is on CLEOPATRA who are notorious for doing shoddy jobs on releases, that's why I would like input from someone who has heard the new version...

I no. But the others sound pretty okay. Packaging is way worse than the pressing (surprisingly).

hmm I thought the others were on Noiseville? with the buttons and patches? I could be wrong. Those do sound great.

The vinyls are mysterious. Matrix #s look like they're from teh Siren pressings. Noiseville did the CDs, dunno who did the wax. Thought it was Cleo.

ahhh, thanks. that IS weird.

I saw the Cleopatra CDs of 'Red Exposure' & 'Retro Transmission' at Amoeba. Back covers on both looked so low effort, same cheap font just containing the titles, and the spines of both of them read 'Chrome - Retro Transmission' -- mr. Illustrator guy forgot to change the spine title before sending it off to the factory. Out of fear for how bad the rest of it would be, I ended up springing for that Harmonia Deluxe CD reissue on Lilith, with extra pictures / Tietchens liners / etc

Too bad Cleopatra did this one, 'Red Exposure' is their most accessible / catchiest (but still completely fucked) album, I hope the reissue occasions reviews at least

wait waht is Retro Transmission?

I'll still buy it if someone reps for the mastering

xpost 2002 Creed reformation album (had to google to find that out myself, the packaging says nothing) - never heard it, amazon reviewers say it's fair

ah, ok, thanks but I will probably pass. OTM about mastering being the key issue here.

red exposure sounds fine on cd. yeah, it looks like shit, but it sounds good to me - granted i haven't heard the original in a long time.

but it doesn't sounds like it comes off of a cassette or anything.

"Blood on the moon" is out (with sort of bonus tracks too).

The reissues sound okay.
As pointed out above, in pure Cleopatra style there are ridicolous mistakes here and there, but at least the albums are available.

am in the mood for chrome ...at the office. how long before management 'have a word' about the racket, do you think??

Listening to Half Machine Lip Moves tonight.

Also, many xposts & time gone by now, so here's the Eno cover "Here Come The Warm Jets" which is great.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SC55VD6U

Hey Chrome experts. I want to buy a copy of Half Machine Lip Moves since I love this album and I only have a CD-R some friend gave to me. But I was wondering what format and edition is the best purchase in terms of audio quality and presentation, the Noiseville CD or the Cleoplatra LP?

Hope that you can help me.

The two-fer with Half Machine Lip Moves + Alien Soundtracks released on Touch N Go has always done the trick for me...

The Noiseville reprints of Chrome are fine. I had a Cleopatra best of -- as well as the 'remake' of the Chrome box. Both were similarly fine. Six of one/half dozen of the other, depends on taste at the moment.

can't go wrong with the noiseville ones, at least they cared

Heads up:
just soze ye nose:
the Lilith records "Blood on the Moon" LP w/complementary CD version reissue is a shambles.
The packaging is sweet but when we get to what really matters it's cobbled together from (mostly)live versions of the BOTM tracks (from the "Live in Bologna" LP, I'm guessing) - the whole thing is presented as a verbatim reissue and isn't - which I'm guessing is why I was able to pick it up cheap - could be for some other entirely disconnected reason, though.
The live tracks just do not have that corkscrewing mania we need from chrome.
Lilith is a turd.

yeah they suck, fuck them and their overpriced bootlegs.