outbreak! (ebola, sars, coronavirus, etc)

my teacher friend told me a day or two ago that several of her Florida teacher friends got their replies to requests to work from home due to personal needs re: COVID

I'll let you guess what the answer was.

this being the nursing Dean is the icing on the cake xpost

I thought the research was increasingly showing that kids UNDER 10 spread the virus at much lower rates, and that as you get up in age it gets closer to adult spread. I feel like that distinction gets lost every time "kids" are discussed.

That’s what the early Korea studied suggested in March. In the meantime, a number of other studies have suggested that viral load in kids is 10-100 times greater than many adults, even while kids are asymptomatic.

I love Emily Oster, but her recent crowd-sourced analysis of spread at summer camps is.... interesting. On the one hand, it shows that with good safety protocols it’s possible to contain corona in most cases. On the other hand, summer camps are mostly outside, relatively unconstrained by space, a relative luxury, and can turn kids away. School are mostly inside, crappily ventilated, for all kids, and accept everybody.

the fact that this happened despite everyone testing negative beforehand kinda kills all hope of fucking anything opening up soon

It’s also infeasible to temp check all kids going into a school building every day! And if testing has a two-week backlog, like in my state, what is even the point?

I love Emily Oster, but her recent crowd-sourced analysis of spread at summer camps is.... interesting. On the one hand, it shows that with good safety protocols it’s possible to contain corona in most cases. On the other hand, summer camps are mostly outside, relatively unconstrained by space, a relative luxury, and can turn kids away. School are mostly inside, crappily ventilated, for all kids, and accept everybody.

this is going to end up with everyone going to university of phoenix, which will then be acquired by betsy devos

I keep feeling like I'm going to hit my head on a door swinging open, and wake up and be the kid from Flight of the Navigator lying face down in a field

uh oh, a dangerous idea is spreading

https://i.imgur.com/lHKaVJD.png

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/08/01/thousands-berlin-protest-coronavirus-restrictions-freedom-day-march-cases-continue-rise

BERLIN — Thousands of largely mask-less demonstrators marched through central Berlin on Saturday chanting “We are free people” to the beat of Queen’s “We Will Rock You” in a coronavirus restrictions protest that was also riddled with virus-related conspiracy theories.

The demonstration took place despite recent warnings from German health officials about a new rise in infections.

Billed as a “Freedom Day,” the protest drew around 15,000 people, according to police figures cited by German media. The demonstration was organized by Querdenken 771, a group based in the western city of Stuttgart that emerged from weekly anti-lockdown demonstrations earlier in the pandemic. Members sometimes wear tinfoil hats or necklaces in what they say is a dig at being written off as conspiracy theorists.

Yes, we do have crazies here, and 1/8th of the seats in parliament are occupied by nazis. What, did you think Germany was a utopia?

wow i did!

here's another sad story:

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/08/an-american-story

People sure do get hyped about their freedom to die horribly!

ban drinking gasoline next

People sure do get hyped about their freedom to die horribly!

― Why does this relates to Yoda? (Old Lunch), Samstag, 1. August 2020 20:30 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The state of Baden-Württemberg, which I live in, is the last place in Germany where it's legal to smoke tobacco in bars and restaurants. If you look at this map--

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nichtraucherschutzgesetze_in_Deutschland#/media/Datei:Nichtraucherschutz_in_Kultureinrichtungen.svg

-- green meaning separate smoking rooms, yellow meaning smoking is fine at concerts, red meaning no smoking whatsoever -- I'm living in the gray area, which means no rules apply.

Stuttgart, home of the crazies, is the capital of Baden-Württemberg, which is an inexplainable, random coincidence imo.

Karl, that story is infuriating.

that's awful. and they had it for 2.5 months before dying.

yeah...the relentless nature of what happened, just one thing after another, when you can see it all coming from a mile away. it really is infuriating.

Jersey dumbasses

The owners of a New Jersey gym defied state coronavirus orders again Saturday, breaking into their own business to let customers inside days after they were arrested on contempt charges https://t.co/IrEehMNG9u

— WCBS Newsradio 880 (@wcbs880) August 1, 2020

my sister in law's husband has "done some research" and concluded that he's not going to wear a mask, which means that he's not doing any shopping, which means that his wife has to do it while or in between looking after their 3 year old and 6 month old.

Ugh, sorry

She should let him know that supermarkets are discouraging people from bringing children into stores so he'll have to have them while she gets the food in

"hmmm you know I did some new research and I guess masks are ok."

i'd just say "fuck you get to the shops" but I'm not married to him.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51GOhlpriGL._SX383_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Was that...meant for this thread?>

RESEARCH

uncle (who is at risk) is now back to going to the pub but still gets my mum to buy his shopping. and they all went out for a meal (inside) yesterday (only people in there, fortunately)

I wonder how Vale is doing. He's up there in years.

We have coronavirus vaccines already. We already know it is safe enough to test in 30k people. Thousands are dying. So, after thinking lately, I agree w/@StevenSalzberg1—people deserve early access if they choose. Continue Phase 3 trials, but allow for compassionate use. #covid19 https://t.co/kwfFGV9uaZ

— Eric Feigl-Ding (@DrEricDing) August 2, 2020

I think I hate this guy more than anyone who isn't a republican politician

Feigl-Ding is worthy of the abysmal names thread.

I want a smug-ass photomontage of myself looking smart in a newsy environment for my Twitter header so bad now

just hear those sleigh bells feigl-ding

would there even be a situation that would legitimately warrant giving out doses for compassionate use prior to the trials being completed?

I can definitely understand why you wouldn't want to do that, but just wondering if there would ever be a feasible situation where you'd have no other choice - like a pandemic with similar R number but higher mortality rate?

I don't check the COVID threads much anymore--did this get posted about face shields?

https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/07/31/coronavirus-mask-safety-questions-todd-pkg-tsr-vpx.cnn

I hate the way the headline ("experts now question if masks are enough") suggests one level of urgency and the piece another. Something new to be uncertain about.

My takeaway from that piece is that most people probably don't need the face shield, but if you're teacher or someone else would will be around a lot of people who are not complying, the face shield wouldn't be a bad idea. Also that such PPE is a lot cheaper and easier to get now than it was at the start.

would there even be a situation that would legitimately warrant giving out doses for compassionate use prior to the trials being completed?

I can definitely understand why you wouldn't want to do that, but just wondering if there would ever be a feasible situation where you'd have no other choice - like a pandemic with similar R number but higher mortality rate?

― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Sunday, August 2, 2020 7:23 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

lots of people used essentially this reasoning (with some important differences) advocating HCQ use outside trials early on. the most likely scenario would be the vaccine is perfectly safe but ineffective, in which case a lot of money is spent eroding public trust at a time where we can’t really afford it. there are also obviously disaster scenarios where the vaccine is unsafe and then no one ever wants to take a vaccine again

I normally wouldn’t signal boost guys like eric dingleberry or whatever his name is, he’s like the krassenstein of public health, but a couple of people who should know better are substantively engaging

I've been seeing a lot of adverts for face shield as fashion accessory coming out of china. I do wonder how this sort of thing will become part of every day life in different parts of the world. Mask wearing was already pretty common in East Asian countries before the pandemic. I could see it persisting in certain contexts longs after this pandemic subsides, and maybe face shields will become part of that.

This was one of the more fashion forward face shields I've had pointed at me.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001274903185.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.4c413c00XmWgUs&mp=1

Uhhh re that story about the ASU prof, jfc:

so tl;dr on the sciencing_bi thing for people that aren't scientists or do not care:
it seems like Bethann, famous for botching MeTooStem, ran an account where she cosplayed an indigenous anthro prof at ASU, but incredibly was only exposed after having the account die of covid-19

— aspiring leftist academic (@endlesswario) August 2, 2020

holy shit

Airplane look today ✈️ stay safe 🌸 pic.twitter.com/yOSkFDIJCq

— Pamela Anderson (@pamfoundation) July 22, 2020

Short of a family member falling seriously ill there's no way I'm going anywhere near an aeroplane any time soon. (and no guarantee that the Australian government would let me out even if I did have a reason) However a plane is definitely a context where I would wear a face shield.

morbidly fascinated on the ASU-professor hoax upthread

we live in hell

what’s the latest on advil + covid

I haven’t seen anything that has convinced me I should think any differently about them

does . . . that mean they’re okay to take or not?

(thanks)

it’s probably fine but tylenol/acetominophen/paracetemol works, is better on your stomach and doesn’t have any question marks around it, is how i look at it

That’s the advil + covid cavil covered

uk tv has adverts saying that the nhs has said it's fine to continue to use ibuprofen (advil) and paracetamol.

and then you look closer and the advert is a nurofen advert, a british enhanced ibuprofen brand...

(ibuprofen has *slightly* different uses to paracetamol - it's better for muscle aches, swelling as it's an Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID))