Gyac, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen you identify as queer. You don't seem to be trans, or nonbinary. You are, as far as I know so please correct me if I'm wrong, a cis woman in a heterosexual relationship, and the only engagement I've ever seen you show with trans issues is terf discourse. Why do you feel like you are the best-placed person to play den mother and arbitrate in internicine struggles between conflicting groups of queer people? I really don't know why you think you have that authority let alone the context to do that.
We've had enough discussion about jokes and about humour on ILX, that... jokes, even lighthearted ones, are not somehow exempt from discourse, they are part of it. And dismissing stuff as 'just a joke' is, y'know. Not the power move you think it is.
― Branwell with an N, Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:13 (three years ago) link
The prevalence of the 'Gold Star Gay' ~born this way~ trope, and the One True Trans narrative, have been so prevalent and so normative in queer discourse, that we have tropes and names for them - to emphasise the importance of contesting them.
That Brad walked in, saw me naming a trope in order to contest it, and went beserk, deciding that I was propegating the very trope that I was contesting.
That was a really, truly bizarre experience.
― Branwell with an N, Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link
ban imo
― Ariana Grindr (rip van wanko), Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link
Bran do you ever wonder what the common thread in the bizarre and inexplicable experiences you seem to regularly have where people become hostile to you is
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:31 (three years ago) link
Branwell, the lgbt thread (called self-isolating this spring) was started in April. You had made zero contributions up until five days ago taking offence at Alfred's 'I miss cock'. It wasn't in any way a remark with grand sweeping statements behind it, either. All other thread participants seemed to understand this, only you, who suddenly barged in, did not. Speaking of bad faith and not reading a room...
I don't want to be on an ilx where a gay man can't say - and it's irrelevant if it was a joke or a sincere remark! - that he misses cock.
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:35 (three years ago) link
already mourning the cock war casualties
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:36 (three years ago) link
Branwell, the lgbt thread (called self-isolating this spring) was started in April. You had made zero contributions up until five days ago taking offence at Alfred's 'I miss cock'. It wasn't in any way a remark with grand sweeping statements behind it, either. All other thread participants seemed to understand this, only you, who suddenly barged in, did not. Speaking of bad faith and not reading a room...― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:35 bookmarkflaglink
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:35 bookmarkflaglink
That's not what happened.
I've been lurking on the threads for about 5/6 years now. I saw someone ask a question specificly about an AFAB child who was wrestling with gender and sexual identity. I saw a couple of cis gays struggling to answer the question - I thought that some perspective from an AFAB who has wrestled with gender and sexual identity would be helpful, and he told me it was.
A decision I made in good faith, but have completely come to regret, because it's been rewritten and projected to be in such bad faith hased on Brad's complete misunderstanding and mireading of what I said.
It's now time for this to stop. If you have further opinions on Branwell, maybe go and start a "criticise Branwell" thread because other people are really getting tired of it. This is so tiresome for me, I can't imagine what it's like for everyone else.
― Branwell with an N, Saturday, 1 August 2020 11:50 (three years ago) link
Gyac, correct me if I'm wrong, but I've never seen you identify as queer. You don't seem to be trans, or nonbinary. You are, as far as I know so please correct me if I'm wrong, a cis woman in a heterosexual relationship, and the only engagement I've ever seen you show with trans issues is terf discourse. Why do you feel like you are the best-placed person to play den mother and arbitrate in internicine struggles between conflicting groups of queer people? I really don't know why you think you have that authority let alone the context to do that.We've had enough discussion about jokes and about humour on ILX, that... jokes, even lighthearted ones, are not somehow exempt from discourse, they are part of it. And dismissing stuff as 'just a joke' is, y'know. Not the power move you think it is.
― let them microwave their rice (gyac), Saturday, 1 August 2020 12:04 (three years ago) link
can’t we just have a “step into the ring” thread for this
― brimstead, Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link
We tried:
Post here when you want to shit on someone passive aggressively until they see it and start a fight with you ITT
― pomenitul, Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link
seems like a halfway measure anyway, to get on “topic”:Wikipedia, for reference
― brimstead, Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link
what is a uniform distribution anyway, ehh who cares, here you go
― brimstead, Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
I am not sure why my bona fides are now under question when you can’t answer why you were making a daft generalisation about the AMAB experience
okay ... uh ... you realize you are kinda proving Branwell's point ... like, why are _you_ on the attack? Why is this "answer" important to you? Why don't you stay in your lane? ... Now you can easily flip that on me, fair game. ...
My stake here is that I have been the subject of ilx pile-ons, I have seen other posters receive this treatment unfairly, and I have had friends experience this type of treatment IRL. It feels like bullying and punching down and is painful to see people I generally like and respect participate in something like this. It is super fucking traumatizing to the person being attacked.
Now, sometimes, the person being piled-on has legitimately wronged someone, or there is past history, like what sic referred to (whether correctly or incorrectly), but this type of interaction is not going to make that person "better" ... assuming the intent is to get the person being attacked to take accountability and make amends and work on bettering themself? If the intent is punishment, then y'all are doing a great job at inflicting that. If y'all want some catharsis, you might be getting that too. But otherwise, this just sucks.
In the context of the incident that provoked this, there are two main people involved, both of whom are already dealing with trauma, ... Branwell has clearly described theirs and Brad's responses to the posts definitely indicate a sensitivity that is totally related to trauma ... and that makes this toxic pile-on even worse to watch, esp. when you have "more privileged" posters joining in the pile-on.
― sarahell, Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link
Starting to wish I'd just gone to r/askreddit.
That feeling when you inadvertently step in some dog poop, but actually it's a mine field and the mines are filled with dog poop and shards of glass. Gah. Sorry.
― pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
sarahell, did you read the block quoted text where Branwell attacked gyac's character, which had zero relevance to the argument?
― braised cod, Saturday, 1 August 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
wow @ thisI'm not reading what you sayI'm going to judge it anywayNow you listen to me!
I know such "discussion" board behaviour is common but it's unusual to see it so candidly admitted.
― オニモ (onimo), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 12:21 (three years ago) link
I saw the new Troye Sivan video and was startled at how much he's kinda biting a Patrick Wolf look and almost posted "Patrick Wolf got fucked so that Troye could get fisted, huh" but then I had second thoughts about it
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 10:42 (three years ago) link
I mean you just did
― let them microwave their rice (gyac), Thursday, 6 August 2020 10:44 (three years ago) link
if only this were the thread for that :)
― Steppin' RZA (sic), Thursday, 6 August 2020 11:08 (three years ago) link
^ had second thoughts about, added a smiley
feel like the old farts of ILM might be comfier on that music producer lad's site they keep ripping on
― The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 August 2020 11:11 (three years ago) link
threads like this are an excellent resource for derision
― imago, Thursday, 6 August 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link
It’s goo
― let them microwave their rice (gyac), Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:07 (three years ago) link
there is WW1 memorial I often pass which has For The Glory Of Goo inscribed on it, people died for goo!
― calzino, Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:12 (three years ago) link
I meanIt wasn't derision so much as it was appreciation coming from a place of negativity
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link
There is another meaning there and it's not supposed to be necessarily obvious so that's all good.
― Basil Ker-ching (Noel Emits), Thursday, 6 August 2020 12:30 (three years ago) link
Jolly goo
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 August 2020 13:41 (three years ago) link
I think some of us are talking at cross purposes a bit, I was amused by yr post fgti.
― let them microwave their rice (gyac), Thursday, 6 August 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link
kk goodit wasn't coming from a place of bottom-shaming, neither, I'm not Perez, I firmly believe that the more dilated the anus, the closer to god
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
you better believe i just googled the phrase "anal chakra"
https://kosmicrockstar.com/2017/06/06/the-power-of-anal-penetration/
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
it's less about survivor's guilt and more about survivor's confusion. understanding there's no real reason why i've survived, so far, and he didn't. if he was alive, you know, he might actually have figured a lot of this shit out for himself, possibly do a better job of it than my own ham-fisted stumblings about. he's not, though.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
fair, although ofc everyone's shit is somewhat distinct, as the old cliche goes
― imago, Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
Wow I was confused for a moment but yeahtbh I've been having major spirals the past two months and I wanna tell people "if only you knew the unbearable pain of persistent suicidality, it is more intense than anything else" and I guess I read your post as trivializing, even if it wasn't <3
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
it is a difficult topic to talk about, the actual experience of suicidality. not just for internal reasons, but knowing that for some people, hearing someone talking about it can not just hurt them but put them in danger. so i try to circumlocute the topic, and in this case what i was saying was too raw, circumlocution didn't make it any easier.
everyone reading this, particularly everyone participating in this particular little convo, i care about you and i hope you can stay safe.
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:36 (three years ago) link
was it Minchenhampton or somewhere in the Cotswolds? As a kid there was a cafe there that had this delicious treat called goo -- chocolate, caramel, cookie base -- it was, er, to die for
― sarahell, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
You can't produce wine without crushing a few grapes.
― Basil Ker-ching (Noel Emits), Thursday, 6 August 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
xp
it's at Thornhill rectory in W Yorkshire, it looks like Goo but my eyesight is bad and I do admit to a tendency to be flippant about war memorials. Goo sounds nice!
― calzino, Thursday, 6 August 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgflip.com/4an2hw.jpg
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 6 August 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link
Ooh, I could vote in an ILM poll
― Udo Starmer (Tom D.), Thursday, 6 August 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
in the spirit of #onethread, is there a thread where we can find out who the fuck these new user and display names are?
also reading this whole thing and then going back through the LGBT thread has made me think about Bimble, and how i bet Bimble would have been a real delight to have in these conversations. seriously!
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Friday, 7 August 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link
Mountain View, not San Jose ... tourist
― sarahell, Saturday, 8 August 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
Indeed, I was visiting.
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 8 August 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
it's not like the South Bay was some place to be proud of being from tbh
― sarahell, Saturday, 8 August 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link
it seemed prideworthy! but mushrooms tell tales
― singular wolf erotica producer (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 8 August 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
mushroom compost has a really strong smell ... much stronger than garlic fwiw
― sarahell, Saturday, 8 August 2020 19:57 (three years ago) link
xps to table:
ILX2 NEW USERNAME TRANSLATOR COMPENDIUM
― sleeve, Saturday, 8 August 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link
thx sleeve
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 9 August 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link
It was the anniversary of Bimble's death just the other day. It's been 11 years!
― オニモ (onimo), Monday, 10 August 2020 12:37 (three years ago) link
Jeez! I remember that day very distinctly. It was awful. RIP Bimble.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 10 August 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
getting me all excited to talk about lee morgan but no, you're discussing the worst fuckin band ever, again, why do you do this
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:16 (three years ago) link