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Concern trolling from here as I don't watch TV at all now, but im kind of stunned to see Newsnight is this bad? Is this typical of it now?

We're live now on @BBCTwo with Mark Urban - you can also watch online at #Newsnight | @MarkUrban01

— BBC Newsnight (@BBCNewsnight) August 7, 2020

glumdalclitch, Saturday, 8 August 2020 12:26 (six months ago) link

since this is the thread where it was discussed:

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 August 2020 06:31 (six months ago) link

with dark, round eyes larger than her breasts


kinder, Monday, 10 August 2020 14:03 (six months ago) link


Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Monday, 10 August 2020 14:04 (six months ago) link

"The show is mute on the subject of race yet decided to offer some visual compensation... If race were a subject of true interest to these directors (which it wasn’t to Rooney), and if race were not used in the casting as a nervous form of virtue-signaling, something else might have been done."

The racial elements brought into the show were more problematic than "virtue-signaling", in particular replacing the sadistic and pointedly white Swede of the book with a black man.

Why are all the people who aren’t white people the bad people?

Eyeball Kicks, Monday, 10 August 2020 18:24 (six months ago) link

bbc news coverage of asylum seekers the last couple of days is worse than i've ever seen it. zero context. seemingly no interest in them as people, where they've come from, why they've come. the words 'illegal' and 'sovereignty' used over and over again. it's absolutely disgusting.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 August 2020 21:20 (six months ago) link

they're now running an entire segment on 'conversion therapy' for gay people as if it's legitimate!? am i fucking dreaming???

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 August 2020 21:28 (six months ago) link

I rarely watch BBC news but just caught that. While I didn't really see any explicit approval - and to me it read as possibly an attempt at 'give them enough rope to hang themselves' perhaps? likely my own bias there tho - I have no idea what it was even doing there and why they didn't follow up what he said with some actual questions? If the aim was to show that 'it can be hard to define what this is in order to ban it' (? is it?) then that didn't exactly come across. A really odd thing to include. Did that X Factor guy only go on the X Factor to promote that dodgy org? So many questions.

kinder, Monday, 10 August 2020 21:47 (six months ago) link

that gal-dem article Eyeball Kicks linked is great.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 23:43 (six months ago) link

they did a fantastic, atmospheric and top notch radio production of The Plague a couple of weeks back and I listened to it on a long walk and was more than whelmed by it and was thinking this will piss off some Tory wankers. Dr. Bernard Rieux was voiced by a woman with a distinctive Caribbean accent and of course she had a wife who died of a different disease etc.. First respondent on their Feedback show on Sunday was some tory twat complaining that this was all wrong with the context of the Jim Crow/colonial era the book was written in etc .. oh go fuck yourself!

calzino, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 00:46 (six months ago) link

has anybody ever gotten any sort of satisfactory response from a bbc complaint

plax (ico), Friday, 14 August 2020 07:17 (six months ago) link

I complained about the existence of Paul Martin more than once, but he's still alive on the air. Highly unsatisfactory.

Monte Scampino (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 14 August 2020 07:37 (six months ago) link

> has anybody ever gotten any sort of satisfactory response from a bbc complaint

Samira Ahmed

koogs, Friday, 14 August 2020 07:48 (six months ago) link

i've complained about a couple of things and the "i'm sorry you feel that way" responses are so fn infuriating.

plax (ico), Friday, 14 August 2020 08:50 (six months ago) link

"many of our viewers enjoy watching far right propagandists"

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 08:52 (six months ago) link

Really pitiful stuff on DTJR

He is also admired for his boldness - he has aligned himself with colourful characters.

During his speeches, he bounces on his feet like a boxer in the ring.

nashwan, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 10:47 (six months ago) link

That's one way of describing the shakes I guess

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 11:06 (six months ago) link

The BBC has a Disinformation reporter.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 11:44 (six months ago) link

Nick Robinson retweets her and says 'get your news from trusted new organizations'.

It's like Henry Kissinger and the Nobel Peace Prize all over again, or whatever.

A sad reminder that fake news spreads like a virus & kills but it’s man made and there is a cure for it. Get your news from trusted news organisations not “friends” or “someone who heard” or “something I read on Facebook”

— Nick Robinson (@bbcnickrobinson) August 25, 2020

the pinefox, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 11:46 (six months ago) link

Unironic use of the term "fake news" is one of my biggest idiot flags nowadays

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 11:50 (six months ago) link

Oh great, this guy will fix everything

Conservative snowflakes and their bloody cancel culture.

— Tiernan Douieb (@TiernanDouieb) August 31, 2020

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 August 2020 21:37 (six months ago) link

Dying to know what the worst offending shows are

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 August 2020 22:00 (six months ago) link

I mean, it's The Mash Report I guess. Maybe they think HIGNFY is left wing for some reason. They have already scrubbed any trace of Toksvig / Hardy / Steel from The News Quiz and have a revolving door of Times columnists and LM network cunts on there instead.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 August 2020 22:08 (six months ago) link

Gonna have Lee Hurst on every show going shortly

stet, Monday, 31 August 2020 22:09 (six months ago) link

Maybe they should cancel all comedy just to be on the safe side

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Monday, 31 August 2020 22:21 (six months ago) link

It is the dawning of the age of Geoff Norcott.

koogs, Monday, 31 August 2020 22:30 (six months ago) link

And Andrew Lawrence, god help us all.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 August 2020 22:34 (six months ago) link

no, hold on, he's already alienated anyone who might ever give him a job.

there is absolutely going to be a high profile Titania McGrath tv show though.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 August 2020 22:39 (six months ago) link

Maybe they think HIGNFY is left wing for some reason

been a while since a senior Tory MP guest presented it I guess

nashwan, Monday, 31 August 2020 22:55 (six months ago) link

The framing is ludicrous but i can see why HIGNFY, Mock The Week, Jonathan Pie and The Mash Report represent a reputational risk to the BBC. The cadence of British political satire, at least since the mid Blair years, has been unfunny snark about how stupid the government is, balanced by unfunny snark about how stupid and useless the opposition is. The more polarised British politics gets, the harder it is to separate sneering at politicians with sneering at the viewers. Three jokes about how Brexit is stupid balanced by one calling Labour Holocaust-deniers isn't sustainable.

What we'll probably end up with is two jokes about how Brexit is stupid, balanced by two calling Labour Holocaust-deniers, or explicitly right-wing Titiania McGrath-style dreck, though.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 07:49 (six months ago) link

Isn't Toksvig a Lib Dem? or maybe Women's Equality Party?

Leftist extremists like this must go.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 08:28 (six months ago) link

yes, not saying she is a standard bearer of the left by any means - however the News Quiz under her tenure was the only real anti-Tory satire I've heard / seen on the BBC

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 08:36 (six months ago) link

since the 90s anyway

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 08:37 (six months ago) link

I am not going to mention The Now Show except to say fucking hell, let's not talk about that.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 08:38 (six months ago) link

Whether or not it's left wing is a distraction, it's about being too critical of the Conservative Party at a point where they are going to be offering a very large number of reasons to do so, most of which the public might agree with.

Tim Davie is the first Director General I can remember to have held public office as a card carrying member of the Conservative Party, which might explain why the Telegraph is so sympathetic to his goals.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 08:50 (six months ago) link

when you turn to page 3 of the telegraph story to complete the sentence there's just one huge word taking up the whole spread: "RACIST!!!!!!!!¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡"

non-negligeable upside here: cancellation of HIGNFY

mark s, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 09:04 (six months ago) link

that would be ironic, considering.

if they are going to make the comedy less left wing then for balance i think they should make daytime programming less right wing - proceed Homes Under The Hammer with a statement saying that all property is theft, say

koogs, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 09:09 (six months ago) link

xp yes, that should've been put to bed a quarter of a century ago, imagine if The Frost Report had limped on with the same cast into the 90s.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 09:14 (six months ago) link


I do reckon there needs to be a bit of training on the use of social media across the old media. Enforcing conduct across it is surely a good thing? For the BBC to do this is a start.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 6 September 2020 11:13 (five months ago) link


I'm doubtful that any BBC broadcaster should be allowed to publish any contentious opinion.

the pinefox, Sunday, 6 September 2020 13:11 (five months ago) link

What if you’re a camera operator and you’re campaigning for Black Lives Matter on Facebook? Or a research assistant and you’re campaigning for a second Scottish independence referendum? Do you have to quit your job?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 6 September 2020 13:41 (five months ago) link

I don't know (about the new rules or what should be the rules), but FWIW my own point was re broadcasters, people actually talking to the audience.

I'd tend to think that rules should be much more liberal re: other staff.

Gary Lineker talks to loads of football fans, and also makes himself known for his political views. I think that's somewhat problematic - even if sometimes I might agree with his views.

But if someone who's filming Lineker, Murphy and Shearer in the studio happens to be against Brexit and says so on Facebook, I don't see that that's problematic.

the pinefox, Sunday, 6 September 2020 13:44 (five months ago) link

I think I roughly agree with that. But you can see how it can get tricky. Producers, for instance, have a lot of editorial power. They’re not in front of the camera, or the microphone, but they’re instrumental to the substance of a programme.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 6 September 2020 14:40 (five months ago) link

What counts as ‘partisan’ and ‘opinionated’ is going to be interesting. Is Andrew Neil organising a right-wing boycott of the Co-Op because they apologised to a trans woman for advertising in The Spectator covered? Is the editor of Newsnight retweeting the presenter of Newsnight writing in the Murdoch press about ‘cancel culture’?

It’s hard to see how anyone other than Adrián Chiles is going to maintain a newspaper column.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Sunday, 6 September 2020 14:54 (five months ago) link

i feel like maybe there's a difference between BBC employees pointing out their experiences of racism or misogyny and sharing unchecked rumours straight from CCHQ on a BBC Twitter account but i'm sure the new DG will be able to protect the factual accuracy of news output without drawing an equivalence between those two things

A Short Film About Scampoes (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2020 15:07 (five months ago) link

It doesn’t need to be massively hard - social media output from relevant staff should be treated like any other output and subject to similar editorial processes. So LK should be getting second sources for stuff she tweets just like stuff she reports on air, and analysis is OK and opinion isn’t.

Not that this is what they’ll implement obv

stet, Sunday, 6 September 2020 16:05 (five months ago) link

Coincidence that the head of Editorial Policy stepped down effective last week? (Probably, tbf)

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 6 September 2020 16:33 (five months ago) link

it seems pretty much par for the course that someone from a sex trafficking clan is taking over as the new Woman's Hour presenter.

calzino, Monday, 7 September 2020 09:04 (five months ago) link

Oh no. Just seen. Awful person.

the pinefox, Monday, 7 September 2020 09:31 (five months ago) link

the day before election '19 she told a caller on her 5live show that even if Corbyn as PM would materially improve their life, it would be a selfish and evil act voting for him because he is an antisemitic danger in her not very humble opinion.

calzino, Monday, 7 September 2020 09:44 (five months ago) link

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