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I.... don’t wear a mask outside. is that bad? I’m not within 2m of anybody.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link

I only wear a mask outside when I am around other people. Otherwise I either cross the street or move into the street if I am heading toward someone else, whether or not they have a mask on themselves.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

I don’t see the reason not to wear one whenever you’re outside your house. it’s benign, helps normalize mask-wearing, and shows you care

k3vin k., Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:18 (three years ago) link

it’s also 35C and i’m sweating like a hog already.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link

i definitely need a “summer weight” mask.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link

a huge proportion of the people i see on the sidewalk not wearing masks are young white hipster types. as this is a heavily latinx neighborhood with bad stats for coronavirus, this has led me to correlate non-mask-wearing with being a colonialist piece of shit with no respect for human life. but this also is in a part of brooklyn where sidewalks can be narrow and crowded, such that there's no way to pass somebody without coming within a couple feet. obv very different if we're talking about walking across a parking lot, or someplace with generous 15' sidewalks or something. but still, yeah, normalize mask wearing!

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:40 (three years ago) link

As first dog on the moon put it last lockdown ‘It’s cop Christmas’ in Victoria. $200 fine for being out without a mask. They also swooped in and arrested the organisers of an anti mask rally yesterday. Rally was due to happen today.

It’s winter though. Not looking forward to it being in the 40s and wearing a mask, but I’ve been wearing a mask outdoors since April and I don’t see a time in the next year where I won’t be wearing a mask every time I leave the house.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link

I'll post the whole thing, because it's long but interesting:

When researcher Monica Gandhi began digging deeper into outbreaks of the novel coronavirus, she was struck by the extraordinarily high number of infected people who had no symptoms.
A Boston homeless shelter had 147 infected residents, but 88 percent had no symptoms even though they shared their living space. A Tyson Foods poultry plant in Springdale, Ark., had 481 infections, and 95 percent were asymptomatic. Prisons in Arkansas, North Carolina, Ohio and Virginia counted 3,277 infected people, but 96 percent were asymptomatic.

During its seven-month global rampage, the coronavirus has claimed more than 700,000 lives. But Gandhi began to think the bigger mystery might be why it has left so many more practically unscathed.
What was it about these asymptomatic people, who lived or worked so closely to others who fell severely ill, she wondered, that protected them? Did the “dose” of their viral exposure make a difference? Was it genetics? Or might some people already have partial resistance to the virus, contrary to our initial understanding?

Efforts to understand the diversity in the illness are finally beginning to yield results, raising hope the knowledge will help accelerate development of vaccines and therapies — or possibly even create new pathways toward herd immunity in which enough of the population develops a mild version of the virus that they block further spread and the pandemic ends.
“A high rate of asymptomatic infection is a good thing,” said Gandhi, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of California at San Francisco. “It’s a good thing for the individual and a good thing for society.”

The coronavirus has left numerous clues — the uneven transmission in different parts of the world, the mostly mild impact on children. Perhaps most tantalizing is the unusually large proportion of infected people with no symptoms. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last month estimated that rate at about 40 percent.

Those clues have sent scientists off in different directions: Some are looking into the role of the receptor cells, which the virus uses to infiltrate the body, to better understand the role that age and genetics might play. Others are delving into face masks and whether they may filter just enough of the virus so that those wearing them had mild cases or no symptoms at all.

The theory that has generated the most excitement in recent weeks is that some people walking among us might already have partial immunity.

When SARS-CoV-2 was first identified on Dec. 31, 2019, public health officials deemed it a “novel” virus because it was the first time it had been seen in humans who presumably had no immunity from it whatsoever. There’s now some very early, tentative evidence suggesting that assumption might have been wrong.

One mind-blowing hypothesis — bolstered by a flurry of recent studies — is that a segment of the world’s population may have partial protection thanks to “memory” T cells, the part of our immune system trained to recognize specific invaders. This could originate from cross protection derived from standard childhood vaccinations. Or, as a paper published Tuesday in Science suggested, it could trace back to previous encounters with other coronaviruses, such as those that cause the common cold.

“This might potentially explain why some people seem to fend off the virus and may be less susceptible to becoming severely ill,” National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins remarked in a blog post this past week.

On a population level, such findings, if validated, could be far-reaching.

Hans-Gustaf Ljunggren, a researcher at Sweden’s Karolinska Institute, and others have suggested that public immunity to the coronavirus could be significantly higher than what has been suggested by serology studies. In communities in Boston, Barcelona, Wuhan and other major cities, the proportion of people estimated to have antibodies and therefore presumably be immune has mostly been in the single digits. But if others had partial protection from T cells, that would raise a community’s immunity level much higher.

This, Ljunggren said, would be “very good news from a public health perspective.”

Some experts have gone so far as to speculate whether some surprising recent trends in the epidemiology of the coronavirus — the drop in infection rates in Sweden where there have been no widespread lockdowns or mask requirements, or the high rates of infection in Mumbai’s poor areas but little serious disease — might be due to preexisting immunity.

Others say it’s far too early to draw such conclusions. Anthony S. Fauci, the United States’ top infectious-disease expert, said in an interview that while these ideas are being intensely studied, such theories are premature. He agreed that at least some partial preexisting immunity in some individuals seems a possibility.

And he said the amount of virus someone is exposed to — called the inoculum — “is almost certainly an important and likely factor” based on what we know about other viruses.

But Fauci cautioned there are multiple likely reasons — including youth and general health — that determine whether a particular individual shrugs off the disease or dies of it. He also emphasized that even those with mild illness may have lingering medical issues.

That reinforces the need, in his view, for continued vigilance in social distancing, masking and other precautions.

“There are so many other unknown factors that maybe determine why someone gets an asymptomatic infection,” Fauci said. “It’s a very difficult problem to pinpoint one thing.”
Immune memory machine

News headlines have touted the idea based on blood tests that 20 percent of some New York communities might be immune, 7.3 percent in Stockholm, 7.1 percent in Barcelona. Those numbers come from looking at antibodies in people’s blood that typically develop after they are exposed to a virus. But scientists believe another part of our immune system — T cells, a type of white blood cell that orchestrates the entire immune system — could be even more important in fighting against the coronavirus.

Recent studies have suggested that antibodies from the coronavirus seem to stick around for only two to three months in some people. While work on T cells and the coronavirus is only getting started — testing T cells is much more laborious than antibody testing — previous research has shown that, in general, T cells tend to last years longer.

One of the first peer-reviewed studies on the coronavirus and T cells was published in mid-May in the journal Cell by Alessandro Sette, Shane Crotty and others at the La Jolla Institute for Immunology near San Diego.

The group was researching blood from people who were recovering from coronavirus infections and wanted to compare that to samples from uninfected controls who were donors to a blood bank from 2015 to 2018. The researchers were floored to find that in 40 to 60 percent of the old samples, the T cells seemed to recognize SARS-CoV-2.

“The virus didn’t even exist back then, so to have this immune response was remarkable,” Sette said.
Research teams from five other locations reported similar findings. In a study from the Netherlands, T cells reacted to the virus in 20 percent of the samples. In Germany, 34 percent. In Singapore, 50 percent.

The different teams hypothesized this could be due to previous exposure to similar pathogens. Perhaps fortuitously, SARS-CoV-2 is part of a large family of viruses. Two of them — SARS and MERS — are deadly and led to relatively brief and contained outbreaks. Four other coronavirus variants, which cause the common cold, circulate widely each year but typically result in only mild symptoms. Sette calls them the “less-evil cousins of SARS-CoV-2.”

This week, Sette and others from the team reported new research in Science providing evidence the T cell responses may derive in part from memory of “common cold” coronaviruses.

“The immune system is basically a memory machine,” he said. “It remembers and fights back stronger.”
Interestingly, the researchers noted in their paper, the strongest reaction they saw was against the spike proteins that the virus uses to gain access to cells — suggesting that fewer viral copies get past these defenses.

“The current model assumes you are either protected or you are not — that it’s a yes or no thing,” Sette added. “But if some people have some level of preexisting immunity, that may suggest it’s not a switch but more continuous.”

Nearly 2,000 miles away, at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., Andrew Badley was zeroing in the possible protective effects of vaccines.
Teaming up with data experts from nference, a company that manages their clinical data, he and other scientists looked at records from 137,037 patients treated at the health system to look for relationships between vaccinations and coronavirus infection.

They knew that the vaccine for smallpox, for example, had been shown to protect against measles and whooping cough. Today, a number of existing vaccines are being studied to see if any might offer cross-protection against SARS-CoV-2.

The results were intriguing: Seven types of vaccines given one, two or five years in the past were associated with having a lower rate of infection with the new coronavirus. Two vaccines in particular seemed to show stronger links: People who got a pneumonia vaccine in the recent past appeared to have a 28 percent reduction in coronavirus risk. Those who got polio vaccines had a 43 percent reduction in risk.

Venky Soundararajan, chief scientific officer of nference, remembers when he first saw how large the reduction appeared to be, he immediately picked up his phone and called Badley: “I said, ‘Is this even possible?’”

The team looked at dozens of other possible explanations for the difference. They adjusted for geographic incidence of the coronavirus, demographics, comorbidities, even whether people had had mammograms or colonoscopies under the assumption that people who got preventive care might be more apt to social distance. But the risk reduction still remained large.
“This surprised us completely,” Soundararajan recalled. “Going in we didn’t expect anything or maybe one or two vaccines showing modest levels of protection.”

The study is only observational and cannot show a causal link by design, but Mayo researchers are looking at a way to quantify the activity of these vaccines on the coronavirus to serve as a benchmark to the new vaccines being created by companies such as Moderna. If existing vaccines appear as protective as new ones under development, he said, they could change the world’s whole vaccine strategy.
A vaccine, or millions of deaths: How America can build herd immunity to the coronavirus.

At NIH headquarters in Bethesda, Md., meanwhile, Alkis Togias has been laser-focused on one group of the mildly impacted: children. He wondered if it might have something to do with the receptor known as ACE2, through which the virus hitchhikes into the body.

In healthy people, the ACE2 receptors perform the important function of keeping blood pressure stable. The novel coronavirus latches itself to ACE2, where it replicates. Pharmaceutical companies are trying to figure out how to minimize the receptors or to trick the virus into attaching itself to a drug so it doesn’t replicate and travel throughout the body.
Was it possible, Togias asked, that children naturally expressed the receptor in a way that makes them less vulnerable to infection?

He said recent papers have produced counterintuitive findings about one subgroup of children — those with a lot of allergies and asthma. The ACE2 receptors in those children were diminished, and when they were exposed to an allergen such as cat hair, the receptors were further reduced. Those findings, combined with data from hospitals showing that asthma did not seem to be a risk factor for the respiratory virus, as expected, have intrigued researchers.

“We are thinking allergic reactions may protect you by down-regulating the receptor,” he said. “It’s only a theory of course.”

Togias, who is in charge of airway biology for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, is looking at how those receptors seem to be expressed differently as people age, as part of a study of 2,000 U.S. families. By comparing those differences and immune responses within families, they hope to be able to better understand the receptors’ role.
Separately, a number of genetic studies show variations in genes associated with ACE2 with people from certain geographic areas, such as Italy and parts of Asia, having distinct mutations. No one knows what significance, if any, these differences have on infection, but it’s an active area of discussion in the scientific community.

Before the pandemic, Gandhi, the University of California researcher, specialized in HIV. But like other infectious-disease experts these days, she has spent many of her waking hours thinking about the coronavirus. And in scrutinizing the data on outbreaks one day, she noticed what might be a pattern: People were wearing masks in the settings with the highest percentage of asymptomatic cases.
The numbers on two cruise ships were especially striking. In the Diamond Princess, where masks weren’t used and the virus was likely to have roamed free, 47 percent of those tested were asymptomatic. But in the Antarctic-bound Argentine cruise ship, where an outbreak hit in mid-March and surgical masks were given to all passengers and N95 masks to the crew, 81 percent were asymptomatic.
Similarly high rates of asymptomatic infection were documented at a pediatric dialysis unit in Indiana, a seafood plant in Oregon and a hair salon in Missouri, all of which used masks. Gandhi was also intrigued by countries such as Singapore, Vietnam and the Czech Republic that had population-level masking.

“They got cases,” she noted, “but fewer deaths.”

The scientific literature on viral dose goes back to around 1938 when scientists began to find evidence that being exposed to one copy of a virus is more easily overcome than being exposed to a billion copies. Researchers refer to the infectious dose as ID50 — or the dose at which 50 percent of the population would become infected.

While we don’t know what that level might be for the coronavirus (it would be unethical to expose humans in this way), previous work on other nonlethal viruses showed that people tend to get less sick with lower doses and more sick with higher doses. A study published in late May involving hamsters, masks and SARS-CoV-2 found those given coverings had milder cases than those who did not get them.
In an article published this month in the Journal of General Internal Medicine, Gandhi noted that in some outbreaks early in the pandemic in which most people did not wear masks, 15 percent of the infected were asymptomatic. But later on, when people began wearing masks, the rate of asymptomatic people was 40 to 45 percent.

She said the evidence points to masks not just protecting others — as U.S. health officials emphasize — but protecting the wearer as well. Gandhi makes the controversial argument that while we’ve mostly talked about asymptomatic infections as terrifying due to how people can spread the virus unwittingly, it could end up being a good thing.
“It is an intriguing hypothesis that asymptomatic infection triggering immunity may lead us to get more population-level immunity,” Gandhi said. “That itself will limit spread.”

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 August 2020 00:28 (three years ago) link

Others say it’s far too early to draw such conclusions.

Others otm. But it's obviously good to study this in more depth, along with the hundred other lines of research going on rn.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 9 August 2020 00:40 (three years ago) link

Going back to the office tomorrow, which has been the subject of much local controversy and national news. While it's unnecessary, I don't think it will actually be unsafe (I'll mostly be in my own office doing virtual meetings, only seeing people when arriving/leaving or getting food, and of course everyone's wearing a mask).

I feel a little weird about the level of general anger around this particular company forcing workers to go back. There are a ton of people working now in theoretically less safe conditions then we're in - healthcare workers with patients and each other, restaurants and cafes with workers wearing masks but in very close proximity, plenty of other stores, etc.

If people really think this office scenario is so unsafe for a tech company, why aren't we up in arms and demanding better conditions for these other workers? Anything besides complacency and privilege?

change display name (Jordan), Sunday, 9 August 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link

I think ‘unnecessary’ sums it up really. There’s no reason for you and your colleagues to be moving through the community, interacting with people, requiring services that cause more people to interact. It marginally increases the risk for everyone in the community, including all those workers that have no choice, for something that is ‘unnecessary’.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 9 August 2020 03:14 (three years ago) link

bingo

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Sunday, 9 August 2020 03:28 (three years ago) link

travelled from europe to mexico this weekend (to start a new job lol), was wearing a mask for 36 hours straight. it sucks.

groovemaaan, Sunday, 9 August 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link

dude, that's a nightmare.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 9 August 2020 04:15 (three years ago) link

more silver linings:

Fewer babies being born premature

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/fewer-babies-are-being-born-premature-during-covid-19-1.5056815

A couple theories floated:
lower stress & more balanced lifestyle lead to full-term
less exposure to viral infections that may cause early delivery

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 9 August 2020 04:20 (three years ago) link

Lower stress?

lukas, Sunday, 9 August 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link

don't want to speak for Al but while the virus is stressful and other stuff in the world is stressful, as a parent, the elimination of the day-to-day scramble from sun up to sundown - and as a non-parent, just the elimination of all the different places i am supposed to be, and all the running between those places - has relieved a lot of the stress i didn't necessarily know i was feeling ... or maybe i knew it but didn't really know how to get rid of it.

not having anywhere to go/be and working from home has definitely given me a more balanced feeling in my life, even as the bullshit rages outside my home.

maybe that's what that means?

alpine static, Sunday, 9 August 2020 05:07 (three years ago) link

Thanks for posting that article JiC.
The decrease in premature births is mindblowing. I'm definitely dubious about claims of lower stress in anyone with at least one existing child!
It highlights how much we don't know about what causes labour to start and how we can't really study it by normal means.

kinder, Sunday, 9 August 2020 07:09 (three years ago) link

lower air pollution early in lockdown has also been posited. lack of commute would be a fairly common factor but not sure what that tells us.
pregnant friends have been anxious about logistics e.g. partners not being allowed or limited at scans or the birth, childcare of existing child etc

kinder, Sunday, 9 August 2020 07:12 (three years ago) link

i used to get pretty regular shoulder pain, neck pain, and migrane-like headaches that would flatten me for the day. this would happen maybe once a month, sometimes twice. now, working from home, trying to deal with two young children, without a standing desk, hunched over my laptop... i am pain and migrane-free. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 9 August 2020 07:33 (three years ago) link

really highly recommend this article if you’ve been curious at all about the differing philosophies, especially early on, when it comes to off-label treatments in COVID. have had so many of these conversations irl and on twitter over the past few months

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/magazine/covid-drug-wars-doctors.html#click=https://t.co/hn6Jj18RaV

k3vin k., Sunday, 9 August 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link

don't want to speak for Al but while the virus is stressful and other stuff in the world is stressful, as a parent, the elimination of the day-to-day scramble from sun up to sundown - and as a non-parent, just the elimination of all the different places i am supposed to be, and all the running between those places - has relieved a lot of the stress i didn't necessarily know i was feeling ... or maybe i knew it but didn't really know how to get rid of it.

totally! one thing my wife and I used to complain about before this was how our days were just micromanaged down to the minute, with an hourlong commute to work and bus pickups and day care drop offs and a long bedtime routine, when it came down to it we had basically half an hour to 'socialize' with our kids and one hour to relax at the end of the day, any more than that and you're not getting a good night's sleep. COVID-19 has legitimately added about 2 hours to our day and it's been nice!! not worth it of course but still!

frogbs, Sunday, 9 August 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link

That WaPo article is fascinating, and hopeful, if true.

DJI, Sunday, 9 August 2020 23:10 (three years ago) link

hey cool, masks work really well, except for bandanas, which do almost nothing, and ski bro gaiter-style neck things, which are worse than no mask at all?!

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/08/07/sciadv.abd3083/tab-pdf

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 August 2020 05:35 (three years ago) link

I don't know how people are wearing those gaiters in summer.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, 10 August 2020 05:39 (three years ago) link

I like their method.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Monday, 10 August 2020 06:59 (three years ago) link

It has however been criticized for sloppiness in conflating fabric types, and for blurring some important distinctions between test subjects. Biologist Emily Willingham writes:

PSA: You might see headlines about a study that is purported to have assessed different types of masks and particularly found those neck gaiters to be "worse than nothing." So, that's not what the study found or even truly examined.

This study [linked in the first comment] was published in a journal called "Science Advances." Its real purpose is to illustrate the application of a pretty straightforward way of measuring droplet transmission through masks made of different materials--it's "proof-of-concept" that their setup for doing this works.

It is not, however, proof of anything else. Here's why.

They tested their process on 12 masks. For each mask, one person--the same person throughout--put the mask on and said a sentence. For each mask, this (same) person did this 10 times.

For a subset of three of these masks, the authors added in three more people, so they also have data for transmission averaged across four people (including that one person they started with) for three masks types: surgical, one type of cotton mask, and bandana.

They averaged the 10 test results for that one person and presented the results in a graph. That graph does *not* show that this one person's results for a gaiter were worse than "wearing nothing." The standard deviations overlap, so for this single person wearing this single kind of gaiter and saying the same sentence 10 times, it's about the same as if *this person* were wearing nothing.

One catch among many: They also show how this person and the other three people transmit while wearing nothing. Turns out, the person they chose for testing all 12 masks is a Loud Talker or a Big Spitter or something, because the curve for that person is really, really different (higher) than for the other three people, whose curves cluster together. So, the one person who did all the mask testing for the 12 masks, saying the same sentence 10 times running, per mask, with only a sip of water in between, is also a Big Spittin' Loud Talker. Probably the PI [academic scientist joke]. This guy didn't even *himself* transmit the same on different days.

Another catch: when you look at how the four people transmitted in each of the masks, there's no clear pattern for any of them. Some of them transmit more through one kind of mask than another. Sometimes, one of them transmits more than another through the same mask and other times, it reverses. Regardless, transmission in these comparisons was ****always reduced**** with a mask on.

Yet another: When the values for all of this are log transformed, which removes some of the chaos from the data, the gaiter they used and "nothing" are almost identical. All the cotton stuff is pretty similar in performance. The only mask that really stands out as having a much bigger transmission inhibition effect is the N95. Which we knew. The other masks all do *something*, and none of them is "worse than nothing."

Finally, the authors are extremely opaque about the materials in these masks. They call the gaiter a "fleece," but it's not what regular folks probably consider "fleece." From the picture, which is small, making the fabric difficult to discern, it looks like a single-layer shiny stretch fabric gaiter. The same applies for the other masks: it's not clear what the fabric is. There's one that they call "knitted" that is actually, I think, "knit" rather than something you made with knitting needles and yarn.

At any rate, the masks are all singular examples, each the same mask used for the 10 tests in the one person who was the test subject. There is no information about whether the testing was standardized in some way, such as fit of the mask to the face, etc., or readjustment after each sip of water between the tests. One reason for that is likely that this study was not intended to test *these masks* or *these materials* per se but to demonstrate that this process could work to measure droplet transmission.

A study designed to genuinely compare masks and materials would have included far more participants, a standardized approach to donning the mask, probably longer breaks in between tests and water sips, and more detail (or, really, any detail) about the masks themselves. The authors overreach, I think (and others agree) in drawing *any* conclusions about broad categories of masks based on this work.

All of which is to say, this study likely shouldn't change much about what you're doing unless, of course, you're planning to set up a "low-cost" and "simple optical measurement" process to test masks.

Of course I have no idea who's right but it may not be as simple as "bandanas are useless" or "gaiters are worse than nothing." I know everyone wants simple actionable guidance (and science reporting wants to feed that desire).

vitreous humorist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 10 August 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link

One catch among many: They also show how this person and the other three people transmit while wearing nothing. Turns out, the person they chose for testing all 12 masks is a Loud Talker or a Big Spitter or something, because the curve for that person is really, really different (higher) than for the other three people, whose curves cluster together.


This is a legit criticism. It means “worse than nothing” should probably be “worse than the others but better than nothing”.

Another catch: when you look at how the four people transmitted in each of the masks, there's no clear pattern for any of them.


This isn’t a catch. This is what happens when you conduct experiments. It’s why averages exist.

Yet another: When the values for all of this are log transformed, which removes some of the chaos from the data, the gaiter they used and "nothing" are almost identical.


When you apply an arbitrary function that compresses the range of the data, it looks nicer. Is this a joke? Look, I was an astrophysicist for a while. I have a strong stomach for “take logs to make it look nicer” but come on!

Finally, the authors are extremely opaque about the materials in these masks. They call the gaiter a "fleece," but it's not what regular folks probably consider "fleece." From the picture, which is small, making the fabric difficult to discern, it looks like a single-layer shiny stretch fabric gaiter.


Fair.

The actionable guidance appears to be: cheap surgical masks are really good.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 August 2020 13:42 (three years ago) link

i popped into a shop (a small co-op) on the main road earlier this morning and nobody (except me) had masks on. it might just be that it was the kind of shop people pop into on their way past (as opposed my usual sainsbury local in the back streets which is more of a destination)

koogs, Monday, 10 August 2020 14:14 (three years ago) link

corner shops are like 25% masking up ime

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 10 August 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link

CNN headline I saw: Florida reports lowest daily increase in cases since June. It's still going up, just not as fast. Mission Accomplished!

Mom jokes are his way of showing affection (to your mom) (PBKR), Monday, 10 August 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link

Florida reports lowest daily increase in cases since June. It's still going up, just not as fast. that stat juking still needs time to ramp up imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 10 August 2020 19:46 (three years ago) link

I'm all for us tripping our way out of this, but this is a pretty wild idea.

DJI, Monday, 10 August 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link

You know, secretly drug the populace into submission - what could go wrong?!

DJI, Monday, 10 August 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link

i am fairly certain there have been multiple Batman plots based on that idea

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 10 August 2020 21:51 (three years ago) link

xpost sales of Metal Machine Music will go through the roof

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 August 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link

Can anyone in the UK recommend a mask for people with big faces? I have a big head. A very big nose too. I can never find a mask that stretches from nose to chin properly. Any recommendations?

(The best mask I have is the one I sewed myself, but I don’t have a sewing machine so it’s a hassle to make them.)

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 10 August 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link

this is my favorite. https://propercloth.com/products/the-everyday-mask-991.html.

i have backups that i wear if it's being washed or whatever, and i don't particularly like the way this one looks, but it fits me so much better than any of the others (i have a massive head apparently). it's expensive. they ship to the UK although i dread to think of the price. last resort for you probably.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 August 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link

I have a cloth mask that ties behind the head with 2 straps. It's a bit harder to put on and off, but I don't like having elastic bands putting pressure on the backs of my ears. Of course I always wear it when going inside shops or anywhere, but walking around, especially early in the morning or late at night when not many people are out, I usually keep it around my neck, so I can quickly pull it back up over my face if I see someone coming towards me on the sidewalk. Once I was a bit slow in reacting, and someone stepped off the sidewalk to pass me, and I was mask-shamed, by them muttering under their breath. Fair enough, I deserved it. Now I am vigilant. I notice a lot of people seem to follow the same protocol, because I see them quickly reaching to pull up their mask when they see me coming.

o. nate, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

I wear a size 7 3/4 fitted hat (pretty large) and the disposables plus an earsaver are the most comfortable for me.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link

I "sewed" the earsaver out of a strip of nylon and two buttons.

Like this
https://sewing.patternreview.com/images/thumbnails/pattern/163744/photo1.jpg

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:32 (three years ago) link

Those propercloth ones look nice - elastic bands around the back of the head are nicer (to me) than the ones that go around your ears.

DJI, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:32 (three years ago) link

I'd like a nicer, more breathable mask, but it's hard to justify the cost of paying that much for a mask vs. $0.50 in bulk for the disposables, which is arguably safer anyway

Nhex, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link

NSW is playing whack-a-mole with cases in schools popping up all over the place, leading to mass isolation on student bodies and faculty. If NSW goes back into lockdown it will probably be cause of school outbreaks.

Also the case profile in Victoria, where our big outbreak is and where I am in lockdown skews very young

The Victorian government has just released data on Covid-19 cases by age group: pic.twitter.com/RZU1jFRZVG

— Melissa Davey (@MelissaLDavey) August 11, 2020

None of this looks great for reopening schools elsewhere

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 07:59 (three years ago) link

Russia has just registered the first COVID-19 vaccine, though there is a huge amount of scepticism as to how many shortcuts might have been taken in getting it out.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 08:48 (three years ago) link

In theory, available to the public in January.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 08:49 (three years ago) link

It's been approved before the completion of clinical trials. What happens if those trials conclude that the vaccine is either ineffective or unsafe?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 09:36 (three years ago) link

This is of marginal interest but it looks like deaths in the home have gone up in Scotland (where there is more data to play with, in itself a question as to what else could be missing from English data).

Yes, that's what I meant, apologies if I wasn't clear.

The displacement of cardiovascular deaths seems to have reduced in a way that hasn't (yet) happened for cancer.

This plot maybe shows it even more clearly: pic.twitter.com/8Nco2yeWiv

— Colin Angus (@VictimOfMaths) August 5, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 09:40 (three years ago) link


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