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In the US, at least, "wishing" a public figure was dead is protected speech. There's case law behind this, where if it's worded like "God, I wish he'd stroke out and die already", it's understood that this isn't a threat. Whereas "Would be a shame if someone shot you, <name>" could be considered a threat even if it's worded in the hypothetical.

saying "I would stab X public figure with a knife" would be likely to get you a visit from the FBI here, on the other hand. Obviously, I don't know how it works in the UK, but for the snark regarding the difference between the two upthread, there is actually a very big difference between the two statements, legally speaking, in the US.

neither is an enjoyable post to read tbh

for instance, a draft dodger once infamously said "They always holler at us to get an education. And now I have already received my draft classification as 1-A and I have got to report for my physical this Monday coming. I am not going. If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is L. B. J.". He was arrested, but the Supreme Court upheld that this was political hyperbole, not an actual threat.

Whereas the mailing of letters by one gentleman, containing the words "kill Reagan" and depicting the president's bleeding head impaled on a stake, was considered a serious threat.

so US-centric posters have that in the back of their minds when reading things like that.

xpost otm

what a load of shit

also things like national guard / secret police grabbing protesters from off the streets and arresting them for ... why?

it's fascist intimidation tactics

would it be legal or illegal to wish that the members of the forum had the ability to cause death or serious injury to politicians through an act of collective willpower?

Starmerite oppression

Much better to just stop people from saying anything. For their own good, like. That way the fascists won't get them.

Xxp

what a load of shit

― brimstead, Monday, August 10, 2020 6:24 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

^

Does ILX still have yellowcards?

^^ good call

i don't think we want to be the kind of board where people wish yellow cards on others, i find it really mean and upsetting

right right, "stopping people from saying anything," that's what's at stake here. always cool how whenever anyone talks about trying to move the community standards of this board beyond "what was acceptable to internet hardmen in 2005," this seemingly intelligent and critical-thinky group suddenly turns into 14-year-olds who just discovered the joys of not-actually-relevant libertarian free-speech discourse on 4chan.

xp already happened in the Emo Albums Poll

guys, a three day ban is not cause for freak out. it is effectively a yellow card.

As long as no one says anything negative about იოსებ ბესარიონის ძე სტალინი, threaten on, I say!

right right, "stopping people from saying anything," that's what's at stake here. always cool how whenever anyone talks about trying to move the community standards of this board beyond "what was acceptable to internet hardmen in 2005," this seemingly intelligent and critical-thinky group suddenly turns into 14-year-olds who just discovered the joys of not-actually-relevant libertarian free-speech discourse on 4chan.

― Doctor Casino, Monday, August 10, 2020 6:54 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry about that stick in your asshole

threaten on you crazy "die, man!"s

it's probably for the best that any threat like that gets met with an 'official response' for liability's sake but this

turns into 14-year-olds who just discovered the joys of not-actually-relevant libertarian free-speech discourse on 4chan.

is uncalled for

Dr. C, if I understand u correctly u r saying that we can't use words anymore?!? But this is how we communicate our thouhgts!

Where would the world be without our thouhgts

you know what i'm not actually going to dip into this at all, sorry for my vulgar response to you doctor casino and have a nice day

Is language thought? Discuss.

right right, "stopping people from saying anything," that's what's at stake here. always cool how whenever anyone talks about trying to move the community standards of this board beyond "what was acceptable to internet hardmen in 2005," this seemingly intelligent and critical-thinky group suddenly turns into 14-year-olds who just discovered the joys of not-actually-relevant libertarian free-speech discourse on 4chan.

― Doctor Casino

yes, this. i try to be tolerant of this crap but the shit y'all are edgelording about is a significant and painful lived experience for me.

christ, y'all, i just wanna hang out and talk about old disco records

Houseguest 1: (pisses in corner of host's home)
Host: Hey, not cool, maybe go home for a little bit and consider why that's not cool.
Houseguest 2: OHHHH, I guess we're not even allowed to URINATE anymore! What's up, Captain Fascism?!?

(This is ribbing of the gentlest variety, I assure you.)

the only thing ill be pissing on is sir keir starmer

Is that a threat?

it's a promise

Pissing is tolerable unless you knowingly use your urethra to spread covid, maybe.

i stand by my position that onimo's post was dumb

I'm honestly surprised at some of the people defending this behaviour, and obviously there are personal relationships behind the scenes that I'm unaware, but it strikes me as pretty hypocritical coming from some of you.

https://i.imgur.com/MwJUPab.jpg

"So Calz was gulag'd because a mod for some reason felt an example needed to be set, and chose to build the gulag out of completely random and dime a dozen calz-banter posts. Stern stuff." - LBI otm.

This is such execrable moderation and the goalposts have been moved around so much within this thread it's hard to take the moderators seriously or in good faith. Calz says he's received no explanation or email and there is clearly no consensus on why he has been banned. emil.y says there have been 'repeated death threats', Matt disagrees and says "he was just ranting as he usually does and went over a line. It wasn't a death threat but it could have been taken as one by someone not familiar with the ins and outs of these boards" (which apparently includes some of the people moderating it). Perhaps it's that posting a photo of a mural with a woman's breasts either sides of Corbz's bonce that has been posted several times before and received p widespread coverage in the mnstrm media now counts as "gross sexual imagery"? The man himself suspected that at least one moderator has been bearing a grudge for a long time. It's hard not to think there is political animus behind this when this banning is such a pure example of weathervane centrist posturing to reinforce polite and sensible manners. No one thinks calzino is comparable to Thomas Mair (not really an 'acceptable' thing to imply about another poster either really but anyway) so bringing up the murder of Jo Cox is an absurd bit of moral panic and lends weight to the thought that his banning is an act of empty gesture politics and optics disingenuously employed to make an example out of a political opponent in a manner worthy of Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB QC MP. The alleged silent meltjority of ilx has been unwilling or unable to contest calzino's politics but you occasionally hear grumbling about tankies or people tutting at the mention of gulags, and yet here we see calzino banished to the naughty step without consensus, coherent explanation or show trial. As long as an unrepresentative and unelected group of south-east chattering class enforcers can convince themselves that their opponents are unreasonable and "really not ok" in whatever climate they feel they might be living in, who are we to object when they make an example out of them?

It's.........a three-day tempban.

it's the virtual gulag!

localized entirely within your kitchen?

No one thinks calzino is comparable to Thomas Mair (not really an 'acceptable' thing to imply about another poster either really but anyway) so bringing up the murder of Jo Cox is an absurd bit of moral panic and lends weight to the thought that his banning is an act of empty gesture politics and optics disingenuously employed to make an example out of a political opponent in a manner worthy of Sir Keir Rodney Starmer KCB QC MP.

The Thomas Mair thing is what really pissed me off - the reference to Mair as an 'internet hardman' which, by the way, he wasn't but, by implication calzino is - gtf!

Mods, delete this thread plz, thx:

Stabbing

Huh, there's no Stabbing Westward thread.

Stabbing is a town in New Hampshire between Tamworth and Sandwich. I guess destroy a whole town now, mods?

some of you could really stand to calm down imho

Maybe a mod could yellowcard them with a message reading "CALM DOWN".

a temp ban is not the same as a yellow card ... having been on the receiving end of both ... having not seen the actual offending post, I can't say whether it would have crossed the "creepy" line or not, whether the subject was a horrible ruler of ilxors or some milquetoast celebrity ala Rachael Ray or Zooey Deschanel.

As a poster, I think emil.y is generally sensible and reasonable tbh.

but i also feel like post deletion, a yellow card, and no ban would have been the most appropriate response in my recovering shit-stirrer opinion

I infrequently post to another board where I've had multiple posts deleted altogether because they contained the merest whiff of exceptionally-tepid political commentary. Which (while annoying) I figure is the right of whoever owns and moderates the board if they feel that violates the spirit of the board.

Folks moderate with such a light touch here it's like the world is ending whenever it happens. But I assure you that it's still rotating directly next to the sun just like always (as is my understanding of planetary movement).

i would strongly support more comedy modding including of this very post DUH I AM A SUBMORON DUH

we need a mod that will run ilx like a business

Calz says he's received no explanation or email and there is clearly no consensus on why he has been banned.

This is really seriously not OK. If you are going to punish people, you *have* to tell them what you are punishing them for, how and why. Otherwise it's arbitrary and unreasonable and effectively just social shunning.

That goes double if the person is anywhere near the spectrum, and you're just expecting them to somehow ~intuit~ from being banned, what they were banned for, especially when other people are doing the same thing.

I was suggest banned under the old system, during a particularly shit time in my life, with no explanation or context *ever* provided, and I'll be honest - it nearly drove me to suicide. (I can distinctly remember Matt DC calling my work, to make sure I was still alive.) DO NOT DO THIS SHIT TO OTHERS. It is so not OK.