ADMIN LOG WATCH 2

Bane-ings?

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It was silby. I didn't include that info as I don't think that matters really; on the other hand silby hasn't posted since then.

Banelings.

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when someone can't post to a message board for a couple of days using a particular email address, this is fascism, to me.

I'm just trying to figure out if we're getting up in arms about a change in procedure or if we're pissed off about something that is SOP.

I remember getting banned multiple times in my early 'troll' days, and I was not given any email explanation, other than the post in the thread which said "Banhammered", and the Admin Log.

Now, maybe it's different since then, but....I didn't think we got embroidered letters on ILX stationery with the reasoning on them.

who would generally dislike a silby

Did you resort to repellent imagery?

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Now, maybe it's different since then, but....I didn't think we got embroidered letters on ILX stationery with the reasoning on them.

― popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Monday, August 10, 2020 4:08 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Getting an explanation for a ban has probably never been a thing, it’s just some new issue that is useful to stoke the flames of outrage.

I brought up internet hardman Thomas Mair to explain why those kinds of posts (specific death threat-y posts against politicians) aren't ones I'm personally comfortable with here (to the extent I ever was). Didn't intend to imply he was like Mair, don't think I did, either. If you think I implied he was an internet hardman, well he's not coming down off cuddlestein mountain, is he? He was described by a friend as using ILX as his only place to "rage", like.

You didn't have to bring up Thomas Mair at all, and what you personally find uncomfortable is neither here nor there if you weren't the one who banned him. You explicitly linked calzino to Thomas Mair by inventing the fact that Mair was an internet hardman - like calzino, in your opinion.

In the messageboard business we call this “moving goalposts”

I'm used to heavy-handed moderation because I post on a Celtic forum where they delete any provo posting

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Did you resort to repellent imagery?

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― pomenitul, Monday, August 10, 2020 4:09 PM bookmarkflaglink

let's just say 'yes' and move on *jedi handwave*

who would generally dislike a silby

― Steppin' RZA (sic), Monday, August 10, 2020 1:09 PM (four minutes ago)

I don't dislike them, I just found many of their posts smug, bullying, and stupid

jfc that tomboto post. fuck that shit.

I don't dislike them, I just found many of their posts smug, bullying, and stupid

New board description.

Getting an explanation for a ban has probably never been a thing, it’s just some new issue that is useful to stoke the flames of outrage.

Oh it's probably never been a thing, that's that cleared up then.

Got no issue w/ ppl finding calzino's posts wearying and/or taking umbrage w/ his style, but given there's still no clarity regarding what calz is being temp banned for it's hard not to think this has got into the vague "bad vibe" territory where personal dislike (and differences in circs, politics, culture etc.) are more likely to become a factor. We've had mods saying there was a death threat, that there wasn't a death threat but that it went over some sort of line, and now that some of his posts are "death threat-y". Doesn't really fill me with confidence and this attempt to send someone to the naughty step will result in nothing more than more bad feeling and distrust, so it seems counterproductive whatever the motive.

dark insinuations that is is part of a larger conspiracy to repress the left

what do you mean "dark" and how is saying a moderator's dislike of someone and how they express their politics might be a factor in them signing-off on their banning for nebulous reasons of offence equivalent to belief it's "part of a larger conspiracy to repress the left"? this is drivel, I'm done.

Is that your first ever dn?

I don’t disagree with the reasoning of deleting the post at all, btw, because it’s not me on the hook for any negative consequences as a result. But, as much as I hate to agree with Tom D, the Thomas Mair comparison is really out of order.

/Getting an explanation for a ban has probably never been a thing, it’s just some new issue that is useful to stoke the flames of outrage./

Oh it's probably never been a thing, that's that cleared up then.

Banff is a resort town in the province of Alberta, located within Banff National Park.

there was an explanation on the admin log. and the mods explained their thinking here. this is a pile-on.

there's still no clarity regarding what calz is being temp banned for

it seemed clear to me why the mods who temp-banned him did what they did ... it seems like the real issue is: was that the right decision?

also, as someone who has been temp-banned several times, I agree with Branwell and other posters re the stigma -- even though mods contacting the poster about it might not be a standard practice, it would be nice if that changed.

Is that your first ever dn?

Assuming that question was meant for me, nope, but I've used them sparingly so far.

it would be nice if that changed.

― sarahell, Monday, August 10, 2020 4:21 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree with this but the way it was invoked here -- as a talking point to make Saint Calzino's ban seem like even more of an unbearable injustice -- was grating.

grating vs. stabbing TS

In the messageboard business we call this “moving goalposts”

― treeship.

honestly, i feel like i've learned some stuff from this thread. i came in here with a certain point of view based on my personal experiences and that point of view has become, i don't know, more open over the course of the discussion. that said, i'm not having an argument over whether or not the mods were "right" to do what they did, i'm thinking about some of the challenges around moderating this community and things that might possibly be done to handle difficult situations without it blowing up into a clusterfuck. this is a clusterfuck, another in a series of regular clusterfucks, and i'm less interested in blaming anybody than trying to figure out ways we could have fewer clusterfucks. and, for instance, a side discussion upthread where both participants were not sure who was or wasn't a mod, that indicates to me room for improvement.

... it seems like the real issue is: was that the right decision?

Well, that and invoking a murderer to explain the decision.

next person who posts is literally Armin Meiwes

Nice.

hi lads i'm starving

ffs pom

Next one is literally Torsten Weiss.

Oh shit.

You didn't have to bring up Thomas Mair at all, and what you personally find uncomfortable is neither here nor there if you weren't the one who banned him.

It's here, because it explains why I support a temp ban for someone describing how they're going to kill a politician. I didn't mean it to be shit-stirring, can see that it is – and am sorry for it.

I don't dislike them, I just found many of their posts smug, bullying, and stupid

stet could certainly save a lot of server space if he deleted all of our smug and stupid posts

is it cool to post about drowning Katy Perry in the soda driptray at Subway sandwiches? asking for a friend

stet, your comparison made perfect sense. this is a moral panic.

Oh go and save an orphanage, Mr Goody Two Shoes.

stet could save a lot of server space by deleting ilxor.com/StetsSkyrimBuilds

in Old ILX he wouldn't have been banned, we would just have referred to him as "Stabby Cal" even after he changed usernames

The thing that continues to puzzle me here is: what on earth possesses ILX mods to continue the thankless task of ILX moderation? There must be some sweet bennies and ample vacation days involved.

they get recording contracts

they can delete your posts!

they say ilxor mods work half days -- 12 hours per day!

The thing that continues to puzzle me here is: what on earth possesses ILX mods to continue the thankless task of ILX moderation? There must be some sweet bennies and ample vacation days involved.

Are you really asking "why do people put up with me?"

i can't even tell you if there's an even or odd number of mods, which is ironic don't you think?

you're assuming Old Lunch actually wrote that post, mods probably have him tied up somewhere

(holds up newspaper with today's date, attempts to refrain from weeping openly)

Pretty upsetting imagery tbh