Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

(it's a bummer how quickly their position has solidified into "build on the affordable healthcare act")

In which Joseph demurs on whether he'd still veto #MedicareForAll if it came across his desk, and still refuses to support it outright.

"It's not gonna come across my desk." pic.twitter.com/tdjM26Ldw2

— HootHootBerns🌹🌺 (@HootHootBerns) August 12, 2020

he's right about that

Good to know he's letting him them know not to bother

it's not like Pfizer and Glaxo are gonna need to pay for a big splashy inaugural

"It's not gonna come across my desk."

i mean he's basically telling us to not vote for him, isn't he?

Why the fuck would he even say that? He really has zero ability to pivot. "There are a wide range of ideas, but one thing we all agree on" etc.

god he sucks so bad

Joe Biden: He'll Delay The Apocalypse By A Couple Of Years Maybe

I liked it better when they weren't letting him talk

Thank god they can't trot out "America is ALREADY great" again.

Joe Biden 2020: The Fuck Else You Gonna Do, Jack?

He's right, but I find it hard to believe if a Democratic-controlled Congress sent him that legislation that he would veto it. Not going to happen (on both accounts).

Joe Biden: He'll Delay The Apocalypse For Big Donors

xp this is exactly what's maddening about it. Forget it coming across his desk—he's shooting it down as an idea, just as it's gaining (some) traction.

Hey dipshit—how about starting with single-payer and make your compromises from there. Next-level Obama negotiating skills already in full flower.

xxp - A Democratic Congress takes it cues from a Democratic President.

Suggesting that he'd veto it isn't the worst part of the clip; it's that he keeps saying that the pandemic has not exposed any weaknesses in the US private / employment-tied health system a) at all, and b) openly and massively lying that integrated public health systems around the world have not handled the pandemic better.

agreed

He doesn't want single payer, it wouldn't make sense for him to start there as a negotiation. He doesn't even, as Obama didn't, give a shit about his public option.

What are people without access to healthcare going to do, vote Republican? Fuck 'em, man!

Cue 2022 red wave

xxp of course not, but honestly I just thought it would be more like January b4 he stopped posing—and that at a minumum that posing would forward some actual policy conversation

He doesn't want single payer, it wouldn't make sense for him to start there as a negotiation. He doesn't even, as Obama didn't, give a shit about his public option.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:03 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

From what I understand, not a whole bunch of americans want single payer either.

not a whole bunch of Americans wanted a lot of things that should absolutely unequivocally be rights but somehow we managed

It's too bad our elected leaders have zero influence on public opinion, really.

elected

This seems key.

He's speaking of what will come after he's elected, yes - if you don't want that appellation for someone who was elected VP twice, to the Senate for three centuries and so on.

Milo do you think the genie is out of the bottle wrt single payer? I’m pretty certain Biden//Harris is the last ticket in Dems history to not be 100% for single payer.

Zero chance of that.

The Pelosis, Schumers, Clintons, Manchins aren't just going to go away of their own volition.

There are plenty of soulless strivers to replace them - Joe Kennedy III and Buttigieg for two prominent examples.

Biden winning will be seen as proof that the left flank is either irrelevant or properly cowed by the evil of the GOP, no need to meddle with the status quo. The political and donor class and most of the upper-middle class can ride out imperial decline in style.

If the left flank makes sure they are a key constituency, and since 2016 there seems to be some valuable progress in that regard, they won’t be seen as irrevelant. Obama//Biden in 2008 and 2012 don’t propose a 2 trillions green plan, now he does.

Better to pretend it never happened. Who's going to care?
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z)

It occurs to me that isn't this something that was argued about for 30-some posts earlier today--whether or not Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist in the debate moment nobody cares about?

The Joe Biden sucks thread remains too small to be relevant electorally, unfortunately.

But even the people who care here, it's not changing anyone's votes.

If the left flank makes sure they are a key constituency

What does this even mean?

As ever, once you're a guaranteed vote the Democrats have no interest in actually serving your needs or desires. Why would they? The fuck else you gonna do, vote Republican?

Republicans are terrified of their voters, Democrats disdain theirs.

Legalize Marijuana

DNC Platform
vote: 106n, 50y, 3a
% support: 31/67 (-36) 👈

Polling – Pew 11/19
Public: 67/32 (+35)
Dems: 78/20 (+58) ←

Medicare for All

DNC Platform
vote: 36y, 125n, 3a
% support: 22/76 (-54) 👈

Polling – KFF 5/20
Public: 57/40 (+17)
Dems: 78/19 (+59) ←

— austerity is theft (@wideofthepost) July 28, 2020

now THAT is an original post. Don't jerk off on this thread while posting it, though.

Politics consists of increments. The party platform is now officially more leftward than Obama-Biden's in 2008. I don't mind a little dissatisfaction if it keeps us activists het up.

Milo do you think the genie is out of the bottle wrt single payer? I’m pretty certain Biden//Harris is the last ticket in Dems history

― Van Horn Street

one can only hope

Politics consists of increments. The party platform is now officially more leftward than Obama-Biden's in 2008. I don't mind a little dissatisfaction if it keeps us activists het up.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

"het up" is one way of describing it, i suppose

don't worry, i'll "cool down" soon enough

Incrementalism only works when there's actual incremental progress.

God grant me the serenity of someone who believes Joe Biden will have the answer to 14% unemployment on February 1.

But I'm all for threads serving as therapy.

I live in a state where a sheriff of a mid-sized city announced he would force citizens not to mask should they seek the help of his office, and it might be a lowest common denominator scenario for this Sanders/Warren voter to accept a president from whom governors take their cue, but here we are.

don't worry, i'll "cool down" soon enough

did I write "cool down" at some point?

The Joe Biden sucks thread remains too small to be relevant electorally, unfortunately.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:57 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

But even the people who care here, it's not changing anyone's votes.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z)The Joe Biden sucks thread remains too small to be relevant electorally, unfortunately.

So it's worth arguing about here, because it has meaning to the people arguing about it, but it's not worth them clarifying anything to the world at large, because everyone else is too stupid to care? These fine distinctions escape me.

I sometimes think you've taken over from Outic as The Guy Who Has Everything Figured Out.

ain't no one gonna be cooling down if you catch my meaning