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if you want to see some insane (and interesting) face masks then this newsletter is fun https://rodolfor.substack.com/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 24 August 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

The reported second-positive case referenced above, can that asymptomatic patient still infect others, despite being apparently immune from the effects of the illness himself?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 24 August 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link

A friend wrote this piece exploring the history of plague and its effects on language. He's a poet and writer, but also has a law degree as well as a degree in Ancient Languages...Commercials Correspondent for the Believer, etc. etc. He's kind of one of the weirdest and most brilliant people I know! And this is no different, interesting reading.

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/ascend-secrets-speaking-pandemic/

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 24 August 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link

wow, that's fantastic!

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 24 August 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link

thx table, smashing that "print" button.

has anyone read "on immunity" by eula bliss? i'm about to get to the front of the hold queue at the library for it.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 24 August 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link

Religious anti science wankers with the title of Archbishop are starting to complain to the Australian government are complaining that the oxford vaccine (and the long used vaccine for rubella) use cell lines derived from aborted foetuses.

Of course they are just ‘asking questions’ and saying of course they would get the vaccine ‘if it were the only option’ whilst sewing the seeds of doubt amongst the credulous.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Monday, 24 August 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link

I presume the aborted foetuses that these mitred pricks are talking about are embryonic stem cells.

Fuck these clowns and their stupid fucking hats.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Monday, 24 August 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link

The whole stem cell argument is so obviously bonkers and about controlling women's bodies. It infuriates me.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 24 August 2020 21:29 (three years ago) link

that LARB essay is amazing

Brad C., Monday, 24 August 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link

cosign

sleeve, Monday, 24 August 2020 22:15 (three years ago) link

so i don't think i understand why or how COVID plateaus in a big city so continually and precisely? like NYC - according to the gothamist daily, which i take as gospel - has had a constant of between 300 and 200 new cases and 15 to 5 deaths more or less every day for what feels like a month. How does that trickle continue and what are the projections for it to stop? Feels like there were 100 models for how this was going to play out in the US this summer but i'm seeing none for the fall.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 August 2020 23:06 (three years ago) link

I mean there’s just a lot of people

k3vin k., Monday, 24 August 2020 23:30 (three years ago) link

too much too much too many people

mookieproof, Monday, 24 August 2020 23:42 (three years ago) link

Feels like there were 100 models for how this was going to play out in the US this summer but i'm seeing none for the fall.

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, August 24, 2020 4:06 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago)

This has consistently been the most accurate model:
https://covid19-projections.com/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 24 August 2020 23:54 (three years ago) link

Glad y'all dug that essay. Watch that name, he truly is a genius.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 00:58 (three years ago) link

has anyone read "on immunity" by eula bliss? i'm about to get to the front of the hold queue at the library for it.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, August 24, 2020 1:49 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah! i remember it being very good

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link

I read it earlier this year & found it really thoughtful on what drives “our” attitudes to public health, and it solidified some things I had been thinking about science communication and trust in experts (Michael Gove and Laurie Anderson otm basically). Plus I learned some cool facts (see unpopular TIL thread I started because I didn’t think there was anything shocking about my being 35 when I learned the origin of the term conscientious objector)

agent brodie canks (wins), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 10:50 (three years ago) link

so i don't think i understand why or how COVID plateaus in a big city so continually and precisely? like NYC - according to the gothamist daily, which i take as gospel - has had a constant of between 300 and 200 new cases and 15 to 5 deaths more or less every day for what feels like a month.

Same with London, I can only assume it's down to lifestyle changes, social distancing and mask wearing but I don't really understand it.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 13:02 (three years ago) link

I have massive skepticism about the US Covid numbers since that push from the administration to manipulate the stats in July. Apparently five days ago the CDC returned to collecting the stats.

Nhex, Tuesday, 25 August 2020 13:22 (three years ago) link

use https://covidtracking.com/data/charts. they merge stats from individual states/counties, etc. which means that any effort to juice things requires a lot more thumbs on a lot more scales.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link

otm

serious question: who is still using the CDC/HHS numbers? all the serious analysis i've seen involves aggregating state data, doing some basic data quality cleanup, and trying to make it consistent and comparable. ie, what the federal government should have been from day 1. i can understand why some people would still look to them now, but imo until trump is out of office they should not be your first source.

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link

i think the CDC/HHS are the only source of national hospitalization/ICU utilization data, so it's a problem that they can't be trusted, see july 15 on here https://www.covidexitstrategy.org/daily-log. but for counts and deaths you can just ignore them.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link

some really interesting stuff in this CovidTracking blog post from July 28:

https://i.imgur.com/Q01lRQ4.png

We compared hospital data published by the HHS with the same numbers as reported by states, and found substantial discrepancies. On average, the HHS reported 24 percent more patients hospitalized with COVID-19 than did the states.

...

Once again, there are several possible reasons for the discrepancies between state and federal datasets.

  • In some states, hospitals may be reporting data to the HHS but not to their state public health authorities; we know that in California and Texas, the states are not receiving complete data from some percentage of hospitals, because the states have posted warnings on their COVID-19 dashboards to that effect. (We don’t know if those same hospitals are reporting complete data to HHS.)
  • States may be posting lower numbers because their definitions of COVID-19 hospitalizations are more restrictive than the federal definitions. The HHS reports data on all COVID-19 hospitalizations, including suspected cases. But some states may omit suspect or probable cases from their figures. Other states may, like Florida, only report patients with a primary diagnosis of COVID-19, which potentially excludes patients who entered the hospital for another condition, then tested positive after admission and became seriously ill with COVID-19.
  • States that get current hospitalization data from their state hospital associations, may not be reporting any hospitalization data from Veteran’s Association and other federal hospitals. We are currently conducting outreach to states to determine how widespread this practice is.
  • We may be seeing some combination of hospitals double-reporting in error as they get up to speed with the new reporting requirements, and data-entry errors in others cases, but this probably does not explain the national, unidirectional discrepancy between HHS and state reporting.
So what does this all mean for people trying to interpret the data? Until we see the data stabilize at the state level and understand more about the reasons why the state and federal datasets for current COVID-19 hospitalizations don’t match up, we would urge caution in using either state-reported or HHS hospital data in isolation to understand local outbreaks or the burden on healthcare systems.

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 25 August 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link

The sudden change in federal guidelines on coronavirus testing came as a result of pressure from the upper ranks of the Trump administration, a federal health official close to the process tells CNN. https://t.co/nSDJfhlr1I

— CNN (@CNN) August 26, 2020



No testing no virus it’s so simple geez

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link

all that is solid melts into air

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link

always dangerous to bet against Americans shooting themselves in the foot, but I feel like most people want to know if they have a potentially fatal illness

lukas, Wednesday, 26 August 2020 19:05 (three years ago) link

If only to ensure they spread the wealth before they croak.

the secret of sucess is to know all rules ...and brake them (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 26 August 2020 19:07 (three years ago) link

On the lack of social distancing or face masks at Trump’s #RNC2020 acceptance speech in the middle of the deadly coronavirus pandemic, a senior White House official tells @Acosta: “Everybody is going to catch this thing eventually.” 🤯 pic.twitter.com/0T5e6r3BSx

— Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) August 28, 2020

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link

:-O

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link

That's certainly possibly true for the people there, for all they keep trying.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 28 August 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link

Wish they'd hurry the fuck up about it and get it reeeeeeal bad.

Scampos Runamuck (WmC), Friday, 28 August 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link

wish they'd get COVID in their ass

pass the cur's dossier (Neanderthal), Friday, 28 August 2020 21:47 (three years ago) link

From my friend's physician group (she is also an MD:

"Grabbed from one of my physician groups with permission:

For EVERYONE getting flooded now by the #COVIDiot #conspiracy that the CDC “quietly updated” numbers that show only 6% of COVID deaths were actually from COVID -
Nobody has JUST COVID and dies. Nobody ever said that... Comorbidities like JUST Obesity, Diabetes, Hypertension (which a >109 million Americans have) will be present in a ton of people who get sick.

When people die at the end of their lives, they don’t ONLY die of like a heart attack OR kidney failure OR stroke OR COVID. It’s not like the movies or TV. THAT’S why death certificates include multiple lines! Just like people don’t die of HIV...They die when it becomes full-blown AIDS and get fungal pneumonias, infectious diarrhea, and leukemias. Just like COVID patients die mainly from multi organ failure, Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome, myocarditis, and massive clotting.

This is a bastardization of medical data and a rehashing is the conspiracy that says COVID death certificates show multiple causes. Of course they do!!! Almost every single death certificate I have EVER filled out has multiple causes of death with one major one. And I have filled out HUNDREDS of death certificates (again this is from another physician. I have not filled out hundreds😳).

All it says to me in this “quietly updated” CDC data is that 94% of people who died with COVID also had other massive diseases associated with COVID...And that’s something we ALL knew already. We all knew very few people JUST get COVID and fall over & die, with no other reason. That is not news."

pass the cur's dossier (Neanderthal), Sunday, 30 August 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link

2 complicated 4 me, u just die of death.

pomentiful (pomenitul), Sunday, 30 August 2020 23:13 (three years ago) link

the fact that 6% of otherwise healthy people die is still pretty scary imo

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Sunday, 30 August 2020 23:14 (three years ago) link

poorly phrased, shoulda said “6% who died were otherwise healthy”

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Sunday, 30 August 2020 23:15 (three years ago) link

counterpoint to this whole "doctor" thing: who are these "doctors"? who says they are a doctor? is it the same people they give money to? the secret no one wants you to know is that doctors have just paid a bunch of money for the privilege of being called a doctor. could i be a "doctor"? sure, if i payed a large institution a bunch of money, and agreed that what they told me about medicine was true! good luck with that! what a joke

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 31 August 2020 00:28 (three years ago) link

yeah the "6%" thing was widely known beforehand, no surprise everyone I know posting about it is a total moron

frogbs, Monday, 31 August 2020 04:03 (three years ago) link

I mean people posting about it as though it means "oh the REAL death count is only 10,000". not you guys

frogbs, Monday, 31 August 2020 04:05 (three years ago) link

modern medicine is a web of lies!

this is why their idol is called webmd.com

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 31 August 2020 07:00 (three years ago) link

Sanjay Gupta made me laugh earlier today (they were talking generally about what to look for the next couple of months): "The virus is very predictable in the way it behaves. You know what else is very predictable in the way it behaves? College students."

clemenza, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link

this message from CDC's Redfield to all the governors went out on Aug 27 - i think it's just now been brought to light?

CDC Director Redfield sent a letter to governors "urgently" requesting them to expedite applications for vaccine distribution facilities and waive requirements that would prevent them "from becoming fully operational" by November 1, @CBSNews confirms.
First reported by @mcclatchy pic.twitter.com/nFrS7vpA3W

— Sara Cook (@saraecook) September 2, 2020

seems like they're really planning on pushing a bunch of vaccines the week before the election, for real.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link

pushing a bunch of vaccines the week before the election, for real

Trump badly wants a vaccine made available before Election Day, not for public safety during the election, but as a Big Win he can use to sway all those voters that he's driven away through his mishandling of the pandemic, most especially the elderly voters. It doesn't matter if it's an empty show or a menace to public health. All that matters is making a big noise and creating the perception of success a few days before the voting.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link

well, if 11/1 is the deadline to be fully operational, they're not going to succeed much in that

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:51 (three years ago) link

like 30 people will get the vaccine at that point

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link

and every one of them will form an indie rock band

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link

Yeah, it’s just so that trump can tweet “THE VACCINE IS ON THE WAY, THE BEAUTIFUL VACCINE IS IN THE MAIL, I PROMISSSS” the night before the election

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link


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