PS.. is it 5? I think we're on 5 now. PS5

i always misread this thread title as "P5.. is it 5? I think we're on 5 now." and think it's about persona 5

we've been on 5 for too long

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FF16 announced, PS5 console exclusive

trailer had actual gameplay so maybe not forever away

it was like euro fantasy, got/lotr looking stuff

$500 for the full model with the disc drive, $400 for the skinnier digital-only one. unclear if theres any other differences

nov. 12 release

i shan't be buying one before 2022 though

looks like FF16 is being made by the FF14 team, which means it will be a bit janky animation wise but will actually come out during the generation
also maybe gone full action RPG? eh, might as well instead of fiddling around with hybrid systems which never work that well

they brought in the dmc/dragons dogma gameplay designer for it so it'll probably basically be final fantasy: dragons dogma

could be a lot worse. could be what they've been doing for a decade.

Yeah, 13 and 15 were huge missteps, and I never played the MMOs.

as always, I’ll probably mumble about maybe sticking to my PS4 and even getting further into PC gaming, and then will buy a PS5 the moment some shiny bauble of an exclusive title catches my eye

they're even putting most of the 'exclusives' on pc nowadays rather than trying to get pc gamers to buy their box

launch day prices are up, looks like $70/€80 is going to be the new norm oof

Demon’s Souls (Bluepoint Games / Japan Studio) – US$69.99/¥7,900/€79.99 (RRP)
Destruction All Stars (Lucid Games / XDEV) – US$69.99/¥7,900/€79.99 (RRP)
Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales (Insomniac Games) – US$49.99/¥5,900/€59.99 (RRP)
Marvel’s Spider-Man: Mile Morales Ultimate Edition (Insomniac Games) – US$69.99/¥7,900/€79.99 (RRP)
Sackboy A Big Adventure (Sumo Digital / XDEV) – US$59.99/¥6,900/€69.99 (RRP)

Yeah, seemed like this was the time they were going to raise the MSRP. I guess it's been a while.

Honestly the fact that Miles Morales will be on PS4... kinda tempts me to wait on PS5?
I still have my PS+ copy of Demon's Souls on a PS3 unplayed, sadlol

Also FF16 will be on PC and looks surprisingly generic

Definitely trying to wait a bit but I’m still running an original ps4 and it’s barely hanging on.

also sad lol for the big ambitious harry potter game finally showing up now

That Demons remake looks gorgeous

Demons does look good, I'll get to it in ... 5 years? Harry Potter looks like it will be available on current gen, too, right?

Huh, looks like new Spider-man might be PS4 as well?

It will be. Yeah, was hoping for other launch titles with more pull to reel me in, but... eh

i was hoping that the ps5 would be run more quietly than ps4, but it doesn't seem likely based on the sizes

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Good god. Are those PS4 models 'slim' or the launch models?

$500 for the disc one which is about £380 but we're getting charged £450 instead. Plus ça change

20% VAT on £380 is £76 so £450 is... 6 pounds cheaper than the US price. Unless that's not how it works?

Ah, possibly.

I've always got confused by the US Sales tax system whenever I've been over there - so will it actually cost more than $500 to buy a PS5 in the States?

It depends on how sales tax works in that state iirc

Generally yes it'll be between $525-550 in the US depending on your locality. I think it'll be $542.60 where I live.

I've been super satisfied with the performance and graphics of my PS4, I'm still not entirely clear what this new one really brings to the table besides ... faster load times? But I suppose it depends on the exclusives. If the PS4 is any standard to go by then yeah, I can totally imagine getting a PS5 eventually for the exclusives, because the exclusives on PS4 rule.

I’m curious, do you have a pro?

My standard 4 has starting to feel sluggish and I’ve been getting frequent FPS drops. I assume it’s some combination of cooling (summer in an attic apartment) and disk issues. The Ethernet performance is also bad and the 802.11 performance is worse (likely attributed to living in a city with massive interference).

A Bluetooth upgrade would also be killer.

Anyway, I assume a lot of people will upgrade for better performance on games they are already playing (Fortnite, Apex, Overwatch, 2K, Madden, whatever). That’s kind of weird.

PC-ification basically

Getting a new graphics card for a desktop PC would cost the same as buying a PS5 or XSX

xpost I have a PS4 Slim, seems fine.

Like, the problems people have with graphics, performance ... when I encounter load times a second too long, or sluggish performance or slowdowns, it really doesn't bother me, because it seems so fleeting. Now, Doom on Switch? *That* bothered me, because it made parts of the game all but unplayable. Like, literally, not the hyperbole I hear referencing PS4 games. I've never seen anything close to that on my PS4. But I don't play online, maybe that's it.

Good god. Are those PS4 models 'slim' or the launch models?

i think thats the launch model if its the same width as the pro which is pretty big

folks, the PS5 is huge

it is sort of comically oversized, yes

the real reason for upgrading is the same as always: eventually some games will come out for a system you don't have and you'll want to play them

having said that, this is literally the first generation ever where i'm actually anticipating the new consoles somewhat instead of merely keeping up with the treadmill.
loading times are one of those things i don't care about most of the time but when they're bad they're *really* grating to the point of putting down a game. i bought a ps4 for bloodborne, played for 2 days, then stopped playing it until they patched the loading

the 3d audio thing also seems really cool but i'l reserve judgment on that until i've actually experienced it. still, it's nice that for once the new consoles feel like worth getting

re: '3d audio' - how is this different from recording in binaural and listening on headphones?

which is possible with current hardware, obv

if i correctly understand binaural recording and what the ps5 and xbox are doing, the principle's the same. and of course it is technically possible with current hardware, the selling point here is the dedicated hardware blocks in the new consoles that supposedly make it easier to implement and with no performance penalty on the rest of the game.

it may end up as just a gimmick, idk, but unlike the battery draining bullshit sony are tacking on the controller (microphone, force feedback) that feels like waggle for the 20's tbh, better audio with just regular headphones is something i can get behind

i assumed it was more a software thing like raytracing but for audio to get more realistic sfx relative to your characters position in the game?

re Bloodborne ... but they did patch it. Lots of games get patched. I haven't tried playing Control on the PS4 yet, but that seems to be one of those games that almost everybody complains about, so I assume no mere patch can fix it. Then again, I've heard plenty of people say they have played it even not on the Pro with no problems, so who knows.

how the audio signals are processed and mixed, really

my understanding is at a layperson’s level and there are good articles about it, but it’s similar to how simulated spatial stuff works in headphones, plus the addition of where audio sources are coming from

in movie audio, someone is deciding in the mixing (or doing tricks when recording the audio) to figure out where the audio is coming from: a car crash is happening behind the viewer to the left, so they put the car crash noises there, and maybe mix the flying debris sounds progressively forward until the debris shows up on screen. in a video game, that positioning might be easy, but then you have the doppler effect, echos, etc that might come into play. all of that calculation can be intensive, especially when mixed with other ambient noises and a lot of tricks are done to half-ass it in video games

the spatial tricks to mix that down to headphones while preserving the sense of location is also computationally intensive, although less so if you have a model to conform to

a lot of games with good audio are using off the shelf audio engines, similar to how there are off the shelf 3d engines, physics engines, etc. I believe Sony is kindly giving games hardware acceleration and some off the shelf features in hardware

sorry, that was a clumsy x-post to Tracer

ah that's interesting and totally makes sense. it's a funny kind of AR in that it's not really 'R' - it's 'videogame'. you're not turning your head, you're turning your character's head inside an imaginary world. but that world is complicated too and full of audio sources! something like these bose headphones/sunglasses have dedicated hardware to take advantage of the (very few) AR audio experiences there are: https://www.bose.co.uk/en_gb/products/frames.html