Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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I just will never agree that chaos and destruction are necessary steps in building a more just world. I have not seem that strategy work before, and I am skeptical that it is effective at all.

So, you know, have a good time I guess. Adios

concern-trolling about some arson when people were just murdered by a teen gunman who was palling around with the cops. must be treeship

xp
It's not a strategy you ninny.

I have not seem that strategy work before

France would like a word with you.

that didn't work out well

sure, "trolling." xp

what are we arguing about tonight

It worked out better than in Britain tbh. Besides, someone had to get there first.

xps

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/21/us/body-minneapolis-protests-floyd.html

and also, jim in vancouver, acknowledging that this is a tragedy does not mean that the violence committed by police and by right wing extremists is not also a tragedy, and a worse one, because it is more common you dishonest, um, person

Anyway, I maintain that only about half of Revolver lives up to its reputation.

revolver is commendable for its experimentalism but as a listen it's not as solid as most other post-65 beatles releases.

more false notes

Pound for pound, I wouldn't say it's less solid than Sgt. Pepper despite the latter's greater stylistic consistency.

oh i disagree. sgt. pepper's is more cohesive listen and the lows aren't as bad as yellow submarine. but you know what, i'm putting revolver on to see if i still feel this way.

eleanor rigby and for no one are really good. i relate to these songs more than most other beatles songs because they're about isolation and depression.

which are kinda like, the common emotional denominator for millennials.

beatles were shit, also you can’t vote out a white supremacist police state, and fuck your buildings

i think the subtext of these songs, for the beatles, was that the conformity of bourgeoise society caused the misery, and it would be ameliorated by the liberation of the new left. that part doesn't translate as much. all the psychedelia stuff seems completely historical now. 'tomorrow never knows' is more like an artifact than a song, for me. others might feel differently.

respectfully, left, i hate you

'Taxman', 'Eleanor Rigby', 'I'm Only Sleeping', 'She Said She Said' and 'Tomorrow Never Knows' are among the very best songs of that era but the rest (barring 'Love You To' and 'For No One', which are pleasant enough) actively annoy me. 7/14 brilliant tracks do not a classic make!

beatles were shit, also you can’t vote out a white supremacist police state, and fuck your buildings

― ... (Left), Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:09 PM

how delightful to revel in wrongness! Besos!

the beatles also hated destruction- the system worked out great for them after all

It takes talent, forward thinking, and impeccable politics to understand this thread, so kudos to your conservatism, bad writing, and posturing to get it right, Left. Congratulation!

Left wins this thread for silly posturing.

bunch of tim wises

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcjBF1uj6Do

beatles were shit, also you can’t vote out a white supremacist police state, and fuck your buildings

― ... (Left), Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:09 AM (six minutes ago)

fuck you and your smug inane trolling on like every fucking thread these days

Ehhh prose too.

Ahh, look at all the lonely people

The bored white teens with no politics smashing windows are on the same team as the bored white teens with fascist politics shooting people, but only the shooters are imminent danger to people's actual lives.

Living in an absolute fantasy world if you think property destruction is solely (or even primarily) attributable to 'outside agitators.'

The bored white teens with no politics smashing windows are on the same team as the bored white teens with fascist politics shooting people

Abso-fucking-lutely not assclown.

This cesspool is looking like a Yahoo news comment section right now. Do better y'all

Do you have a fave Fab Four LP, trevor?

trevor's right. we are not "yahoos." we are ilx. the vanguard of the revolution.

by erasing the fact that Black ppl have led the way in these recent uprisings, what you're doing is encouraging your "disciplined," do-nothing white followers to discipline the "violent & undisciplined" Black, as well as other nonwhite & white, ppl in the streets https://t.co/hlfjftftuM

— Wendy Trevino (@prolpo) August 26, 2020

screaming at diners is productive and good, got it

here is a take.

when our friend milo, upthread, said that the burning of car dealerships and furniture stores is justifiable because it is a wail of outrage from people frozen out of the property-holding classes--that they had "nothing to lose"!"--he was actually denying the moral agency of people trapped in poverty in america. you know, saying they can't organize, mount a real challenge to power--even though we have seen people doing just that, the arsonists represent 0.001% of BLM protesters!

anyway, i found it offensive.

if you think property destruction is solely (or even primarily) attributable to 'outside agitators.'

I don't.

When people burn down their own neighborhoods because they feel they have no connection to them and have nothing to lose, listen to them.

When people express shock and sadness because what little they have had been destroyed by rioting, listen to them.

Nothing is black and white despite the best efforts of White people

when our friend milo, upthread, said that the burning of car dealerships and furniture stores is justifiable

I didn’t do that,m.

Riots and rioters do not need to be justified nor do they need to be condemned. They don’t need people pretending that they’re a strategy for revolution (not that anyone does that), nor do they need pearl clutching halfwits like you telling them how to do better.

That’s the point. Riots are a natural outgrowth of the conditions in which we find ourselves.

the beatles also hated destruction

When you talk about destruction

people's actions are not natural outgrowths you fanatic. if they were, why isn't the white 17 year old shooter also just a victim of historical contingency? no one thinks that, which is why we all want him to be held accountable.

Destruction > The Beatles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snMx6KmjzCM

Yeah but, like, Destruction wouldn't exist without 'Helter Skelter, y'know.

circumstances, such as economic desperation, does lead people into illegal behavior. but "expressive" violence is just not that kind of thing.

C'mon, treesh, don't be callous. Whether these protests are politically effective or not is frankly beside the point. When you've been cornered your entire life, you lash back any way you can, it's that simple.

i reject the conflation of "protests" and "riots." i think the unrest that happens due to protests sets the stage for riots and like looting and stuff.

but, whatever