Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

When people burn down their own neighborhoods because they feel they have no connection to them and have nothing to lose, listen to them.

When people express shock and sadness because what little they have had been destroyed by rioting, listen to them.

Nothing is black and white despite the best efforts of White people

when our friend milo, upthread, said that the burning of car dealerships and furniture stores is justifiable

I didn’t do that,m.

Riots and rioters do not need to be justified nor do they need to be condemned. They don’t need people pretending that they’re a strategy for revolution (not that anyone does that), nor do they need pearl clutching halfwits like you telling them how to do better.

That’s the point. Riots are a natural outgrowth of the conditions in which we find ourselves.

the beatles also hated destruction

When you talk about destruction

people's actions are not natural outgrowths you fanatic. if they were, why isn't the white 17 year old shooter also just a victim of historical contingency? no one thinks that, which is why we all want him to be held accountable.

Destruction > The Beatles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snMx6KmjzCM

Yeah but, like, Destruction wouldn't exist without 'Helter Skelter, y'know.

circumstances, such as economic desperation, does lead people into illegal behavior. but "expressive" violence is just not that kind of thing.

C'mon, treesh, don't be callous. Whether these protests are politically effective or not is frankly beside the point. When you've been cornered your entire life, you lash back any way you can, it's that simple.

i reject the conflation of "protests" and "riots." i think the unrest that happens due to protests sets the stage for riots and like looting and stuff.

but, whatever

no one thinks that, which is why we all want him to be held accountable.

There's a wealth of research and information out there on rioting. You should read some of it.

You think it's more important to lock a 17-year old away forever than to understand how he was radicalized, how he got access to an AR-15?

Psychologists can visit him in prison and ask him.

i was gonna say, if people (treeship) are really interested in debating this they could just go read smarter people than the trained lab rats reloading this thread all day. but i wanted to add, there is no reliable information available on who is destroying property and for what purpose. we cannot say it is bored white teenagers or any other group, it is more likely some combination and for all different reasons or no reason at all. did you ever have intimate knowledge of a situation and then see an article or tv news report about it and find the whole thing was a complete misrepresentation? when this happened in 2015 in baltimore the news was such a joke. it made it look like 90% of the buildings were on fire. i believe the biggest fire was opportunistic insurance fraud. the building was on the east side when most of the other stuff was on the west side, but on tv it's just one big blob of fires. they did burn a police car, which was cool. a lot of destruction happened in areas that had a lot of pre-destroyed buildings that curiously no one cared about before. it was in small parts of the city but you wouldn't know any of that from CNN.

It's almost like some people have never even read Progressive Hero Noam Chomsky on manufactured consent.

why isn't the white 17 year old shooter also just a victim of historical contingency?

because he is obviously not a victim

he was very openly aided by institutions which were founded to serve interests like his

strange seeing him talked about already like some lone wolf / crazy person whose own accomplices are the best solution to

i forgot to add that one of the destroyed buildings was a CVS. lots of opiates were stolen and for a couple years afterward the police mused in the news about how the flood of pills caused an uptick in violence. after that it was discovered that a cop got was responsible for re-selling the CVS pills. no lessons learned by the paper about re-printing what police say about things.

got

we cannot say it is bored white teenagers or any other group. it is more likely some combination and for all different reasons or no reason at all.

Yes this is true and I shouldn't have generalized.

When people burn down their own neighborhoods because they feel they have no connection to them and have nothing to lose, listen to them.

When people express shock and sadness because what little they have had been destroyed by rioting, listen to them.

Nothing is black and white despite the best efforts of White people

― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:14 PM bookmarkflaglink

Otm. Thank you for this

people's actions are not natural outgrowths you fanatic. if they were, why isn't the white 17 year old shooter also just a victim of historical contingency?

he is! this is bad! it's bad that systemic racism and a deliberate process of media illiteracy made him think that it's a cool and noble idea to read a facebook notice and drive to another state, when he's too young to vote, and murder people in order to protect some concrete

i reject the conflation of "protests" and "riots." i think the unrest that happens due to protests sets the stage for riots and like looting and stuff.

so ...do they come from the same causes or not, or


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harbl with good points, and plus also a Kenosha adjunct: one of the "small businesses" noted by Fox News and Hannity as having been burned by protestors was a freestanding vacant building from 2010-2014, a wine bar for two years, vacant for another three years, suspected by neighbours of being burned for insurance, and the nearby lot was saved by protestors digging a trench during the fire

Nothing is black and white despite the best efforts of White people

― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, August 26, 2020 9:14 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Let me bring your attention to a little Beatles album called Revolver.

^^^ wrong use of meme.

Biden is set to run a 2-minute ad on all the networks tonight during coverage of Trump’s convention speech, and it is a doozy. Captures the essence of why America needs him to win.

Give it a watch >> pic.twitter.com/r9Zpc7mOxE

— Ian Sams (@IanSams) August 27, 2020

is it a doozy

For whatever reasons, his voice is very ill-suited to oratory.

When he says the USA is the most powerful idea in the history of the world, that must mean he thinks it's more powerful than Christianity.

Can a Christian say that?

not sure that "following the teachings of a charismatic, self-appointed guru" is an idea that was original to the disciples

In the first minute it hits "Trump can't walk down a ramp," cribs from Obama and from "Tubthumping."

"Doozy" is one way to put it.

When he says the USA is the most powerful idea in the history of the world, that must mean he thinks it's more powerful than Christianity.

Can a Christian say that?

America brought Christianity to fruition, so yes, obviously.

In the first minute it hits "Trump can't walk down a ramp," cribs from Obama and from "Tubthumping."

Christianity is "revealed", not an idea, innit

Trumptrumping

He drinks a cola drink, he drinks a cola drink

this is a great ad. presidents should aim to be uncontroversial and inclusive in their messaging.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikgh4JbAWUU

this is the best presidential campaign ad ever though. i can't believe bernie didn't get through.

Admittedly kind of surprised by that ad in that it obliquely references the original sins of this country's founding. Sure, it kind of brushes them aside quickly, and I know such mentions don't mean shit for policy, but I'm still kind of surprised!

It was made by some kid on youtube, not an actual paid-for-and-aired ad

The Markey ad that set Pelosi off ('time to ask what your country can do for you') is the shit that Biden should be running (and doing) but lol

Biden pre-butting Trump's infomercial:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgdFVFtWoAoVFLy.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgdFV9LXkAEzUB8.png

"Is Donald Trump even aware he's president?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK_3X4u8Ybo

That's actually a really good pre-buttal, imo. Sticks the landing.

The Markey ad that set Pelosi off ('time to ask what your country can do for you') is the shit that Biden should be running (and doing) but lol

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Thursday, 27 August 2020 22:38 (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm thinking there will be no M(al)arkey in Biden's ads.

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(the inevitable Markie post)

KEEP AMERICA GREAT 🇺🇸https://t.co/eTsNBgI1bf

— Team Joe (Text JOE to 30330) (@TeamJoe) August 28, 2020

I like that they snagged the domain, but tweeting it without context makes for a muddled message.

Team joe’s digital team doesn’t know how to properly link a website. Five letters could have avoided this entire mess

httpshttps://t.co/aqsUZkMML5

— congressman mister j dot com (@niceboydotcom) August 28, 2020

Just gonna leave this here as a piñata. Have at it if you like.

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Seems like he's saying Donald Trump is creating conditions under which violence in the streets is massively more likely if not inevitable and I would tend to agree. It's "why can't we all just get along" politics, which is really popular, and he's answering the usually-rhetorical question by saying "Donald Trump," and you don't have to tell me that a lot of people would say "no, the answer to that question is hundreds of years of racism of which Donald Trump is just the current manifestation," and fewer but still plenty of people would say "no, the answer to that question is the basic capitalist structure that either has taken over or always was the essence of the way American society works, and which itself constitutes a slow, grinding street violence that destroys more lives every day than all the Proud Boy riots put together" -- I get that!

Good thing he condemns violence on the left and the right. I was worried about those danged antifas out there stirring up RAHOWA

The shooting death in Portland is being reported as if it were committed by the left, so it would be political stupidity for Biden not to condemn violence coming from the left in a press release addressing that death.

Yes, but without the ILX vote his chances in November are slim to none.